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How low can you go... (3NT after preempt)

#21 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2010-January-04, 18:11

the difference between strong 4333 and good 3316 is that partner is much more likelly to be strong when we hold the hand with less HCP.

I think East has an obvoius reopening of 3♥ I might even reopen without ♠Q. But my live overcalls are very sound. Once we agree tha the must reopen, 4♦ is an option of course.
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Posted 2010-January-04, 18:33

Late to the party here, but P seems pretty clear cut.

A direct 3N may work out *if* that's our final resting place, but what's keeping pard from taking the bid too seriously?
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Posted 2010-January-05, 02:43

akhare, on Jan 5 2010, 02:33 AM, said:

...but what's keeping pard from taking the bid too seriously?

Good agreements.
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Posted 2010-January-05, 09:19

Fluffy, on Jan 4 2010, 07:11 PM, said:

the difference between strong 4333 and good 3316 is that partner is much more likelly to be strong when we hold the hand with less HCP.

And it is also more likely that LHO will be strong when we hold the hand with less HCP.

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Posted 2010-January-05, 10:34

OleBerg, on Jan 5 2010, 03:43 AM, said:

akhare, on Jan 5 2010, 02:33 AM, said:

...but what's keeping pard from taking the bid too seriously?

Good agreements.

What do you agree, to never hold a 23 count?
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Posted 2010-January-05, 10:45

doh, East has an obvious 3NT balancing bid :)

stoppers? who needs 'em :)
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Posted 2010-January-05, 10:56

whereagles, on Jan 5 2010, 05:45 PM, said:

doh, East has an obvious 3NT balancing bid :)

stoppers? who needs 'em :)

Aren't you also missing the solid suit and side aces that one would normally use to justify the lack of a stop?
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Posted 2010-January-05, 11:09

gnasher, on Jan 5 2010, 04:56 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 5 2010, 05:45 PM, said:

doh, East has an obvious 3NT balancing bid :)

stoppers? who needs 'em :)

Aren't you also missing the solid suit and side aces that one would normally use to justify the lack of a stop?

Yes, but what can you do? Pard rates to have some balanced 12-14 and opposite that I'd like to try 3NT.

I guess I could invoke hamman's 3rd law: "when 3N is an option, bid it"
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Posted 2010-January-05, 11:38

I would also pass, but considered 3NT. 4C bidders should join the Croatian mailing list.
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Posted 2010-January-05, 15:12

jdonn, on Jan 5 2010, 06:34 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Jan 5 2010, 03:43 AM, said:

akhare, on Jan 5 2010, 02:33 AM, said:

...but what's keeping pard from taking the bid too seriously?

Good agreements.

What do you agree, to never hold a 23 count?

That would be a good beginning. :D

I do believe that hands that merit a gutsy 3NT far outweigh those 23-counts.

Of course bidding can get you to high, but passing can get you to low.
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Posted 2010-January-05, 15:44

jdonn, on Jan 5 2010, 11:34 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Jan 5 2010, 03:43 AM, said:

akhare, on Jan 5 2010, 02:33 AM, said:

...but what's keeping pard from taking the bid too seriously?

Good agreements.

What do you agree, to never hold a 23 count?

What's funny is how much of a hurry so many of the passers are to bid 3NT over partner's ROX
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Posted 2010-January-05, 16:01

hanp, on Jan 5 2010, 05:38 PM, said:

I would also pass, but considered 3NT. 4C bidders should join the Croatian mailing list.

I found this cruel, but couldn't stop laughing anyway :D
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Posted 2010-January-05, 16:11

jdonn, on Jan 5 2010, 05:34 PM, said:

What do you agree, to never hold a 23 count?

No, you agree not to cater for the possibility that the overcaller has a 23-count.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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