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E-W play 2/1 so 1♣ is 3+.
2♣ was inverted , 10+p , and 4+♣, intended as forcing, though not 100% forcing by PH.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 08:54
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E-W play 2/1 so 1♣ is 3+.
2♣ was inverted , 10+p , and 4+♣, intended as forcing, though not 100% forcing by PH.
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E-W play 2/1 so 1♣ is 3+.
2♣ was inverted , 10+p , and 4+♣, intended as forcing, though not 100% forcing by PH.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 09:29
1. No. Partner is short in spades and still couldn't pre-balance.
2. Yeah, I dbl here and pass the inevitable 2♦
2. Yeah, I dbl here and pass the inevitable 2♦
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Posted 2010-January-03, 09:53
mich-b, on Jan 3 2010, 09:54 AM, said:
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E-W play 2/1 so 1♣ is 3+.
2♣ was inverted , 10+p , and 4+♣, intended as forcing, though not 100% forcing by PH.
Scoring: IMP
P-1♠-P-2♠
P - P - ?
P-1♠-P-2♠
P - P - ?
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Scoring: IMP
P-1♠-P-2♠
P - P - ?
P-1♠-P-2♠
P - P - ?
E-W play 2/1 so 1♣ is 3+.
2♣ was inverted , 10+p , and 4+♣, intended as forcing, though not 100% forcing by PH.
1) V vs NV is the wrong conditions for balancing IMO
2) yes I would try as it looks like RHO had 2/1 3rd seat opener and be ready to apologize when P bids 2♦
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Posted 2010-January-03, 10:30
1. 3D. Partner didn't suggest Hearts with pre-balance double, so likely minors.
2. X. Who has Majors? As Ant590, I always get 2D missing hoped M-fit. Still worth a try.
Re passing 2D: won't partner strain a gut to bid 2M even if only 3xM? Then 2D MUST have 5xD.
2. X. Who has Majors? As Ant590, I always get 2D missing hoped M-fit. Still worth a try.
Re passing 2D: won't partner strain a gut to bid 2M even if only 3xM? Then 2D MUST have 5xD.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 10:32
1) Pass, even though I don't really believe in obar.
2) Double. RHO could have opened light or LHO might have 8/9 with a shortage or whatever.
2) Double. RHO could have opened light or LHO might have 8/9 with a shortage or whatever.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 10:42
On Problem two: The posters quite properly say "when partner bids 2D" or describe it as inevitable.
They either feel, or have calculated that this hand is more likely to find opener with 4-4-2-3, than normal expectation. Partner could not open, responder has stuff, opener didn't re-up with 3C, and I only have a balanced ten-count. Partner couldn't double on his second round or bid 2D.
I stay out.
They either feel, or have calculated that this hand is more likely to find opener with 4-4-2-3, than normal expectation. Partner could not open, responder has stuff, opener didn't re-up with 3C, and I only have a balanced ten-count. Partner couldn't double on his second round or bid 2D.
I stay out.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 11:52
1) Why I overcall at the 2-level on 5-card suits. Pass now.
2) X, and convert 2♦ to 2♥.
2) X, and convert 2♦ to 2♥.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 12:36
Can't believe people are passing hand 1
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Posted 2010-January-03, 12:43
3♦ (I would almost bid 2♦ but not unfavorable).
pass double (but I bid 1♠ before).
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... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 12:44
1. Pass
2. Double
I cannot imagine bidding 3♦ on 1. Partner is a passed hand who could not double 2♠, and we are red at IMPs.
2. Double
I cannot imagine bidding 3♦ on 1. Partner is a passed hand who could not double 2♠, and we are red at IMPs.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 12:48
Jlall, on Jan 3 2010, 01:36 PM, said:
Can't believe people are passing hand 1
you aren't laying enough traps when an NV game is possible but remote
or your opponents aren't
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Posted 2010-January-03, 13:42
If you double on the second one, I don't think you should pass 2♦. Partner has about a 9-count and didn't overcall. He's likely to have only four of them.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-03, 13:45
Isn't the first a textbook 3♦? We even have the desired spade length without wastage.
Double on the second and I don't pass 2♦.
Double on the second and I don't pass 2♦.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 15:22
jdonn, on Jan 3 2010, 02:45 PM, said:
Isn't the first a textbook 3♦? We even have the desired spade length without wastage.
Double on the second and I don't pass 2♦.
Double on the second and I don't pass 2♦.
I mean...even jdonn is balancing! Come on!
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Posted 2010-January-03, 16:12
3♦ on the first X on the 2nd (2♥ over the dreaded 2♦).
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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 16:46
1. Pass. 3♦ at these colors (even when they have a fit, and I have xxx in their suit) seems a bit crazy to me : LHO may have an easy double, and I doubt the conclusion will be a happy one then. 5332 sucks, even after 1M 2M.
2. Double, then 2♥ over 2♦.
2. Double, then 2♥ over 2♦.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 17:05
Some time ago it was insta balance for me hand 1. Now I've changed my mind (after watching tons of vugraphs of wc players). I can bet my ass that the best player in the world (in my very uinformed opinion) would pass that, so I pass too :-)
Not to say that there aren't some who would balance. I am sure there are but the one I am trying to model my play on is passing those 1H - 2H, 1S - 2S auctions very very often.
I would also pass if you move ♠ spot to ♣'s.
Not to say that there aren't some who would balance. I am sure there are but the one I am trying to model my play on is passing those 1H - 2H, 1S - 2S auctions very very often.
I would also pass if you move ♠ spot to ♣'s.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 17:07
1) Pass : more to lose than to win here I think.
2) X and 2♥ on 2♦ , showing both majors 4-4 (or 5-4 with 5 small cards)
2) X and 2♥ on 2♦ , showing both majors 4-4 (or 5-4 with 5 small cards)
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Posted 2010-January-03, 22:02
First hand I overcalled 2D the first round.
Second hand, I don't like the fact they have most the points and couldn't raise. At MP I double, at IMP I pass. And if I believe they are in the midst of a system accident, not just a judgment issue, I def pass.
Second hand, I don't like the fact they have most the points and couldn't raise. At MP I double, at IMP I pass. And if I believe they are in the midst of a system accident, not just a judgment issue, I def pass.
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Posted 2010-January-03, 22:48
Going for 500 at IMPs is not the end of the world.
If the opponents are making 110, we would pick up 6 IMPs for getting +110, and lose 9 for -500 (or 8 if they make 140). So if opponents always make 110, if we make 3♦ 50% of the time, go -100 25% of the time, and get doubled for 500 25% of the time, we would come out ahead by balancing. Of course, if you think that we would go for 500 about as often as we would turn -110 into +110 then you would be right to pass.
Gwnn, I am shocked that you would even almost make such a horrible bid!
If the opponents are making 110, we would pick up 6 IMPs for getting +110, and lose 9 for -500 (or 8 if they make 140). So if opponents always make 110, if we make 3♦ 50% of the time, go -100 25% of the time, and get doubled for 500 25% of the time, we would come out ahead by balancing. Of course, if you think that we would go for 500 about as often as we would turn -110 into +110 then you would be right to pass.
gwnn, on Jan 3 2010, 01:43 PM, said:
(I would almost bid 2♦ but not unfavorable).
Gwnn, I am shocked that you would even almost make such a horrible bid!
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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