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Preempted Again Opps play std with inverted raises
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Posted 2009-December-12, 12:28
My knee jerked 4D, but then I started thinking --which is dangerous.
If playing against me, 4D could be a huge distaster, and I don't know the opponents' style. Could 1D have been 4 4 3 2? Could 3D have as much as 9 HCP and never have zero to 5? Could I bring back a huge minus phone number? Could my center opponent maybe not take a joke? could they be in a 4-3 fit?
I chickened out.
If playing against me, 4D could be a huge distaster, and I don't know the opponents' style. Could 1D have been 4 4 3 2? Could 3D have as much as 9 HCP and never have zero to 5? Could I bring back a huge minus phone number? Could my center opponent maybe not take a joke? could they be in a 4-3 fit?
I chickened out.
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Posted 2009-December-12, 12:50
aguahombre, on Dec 12 2009, 01:28 PM, said:
My knee jerked 4D, but then I started thinking --which is dangerous.
If playing against me, 4D could be a huge distaster, and I don't know the opponents' style. Could 1D have been 4 4 3 2? Could 3D have as much as 9 HCP and never have zero to 5? Could I bring back a huge minus phone number? Could my center opponent maybe not take a joke? could they be in a 4-3 fit?
I chickened out.
If playing against me, 4D could be a huge distaster, and I don't know the opponents' style. Could 1D have been 4 4 3 2? Could 3D have as much as 9 HCP and never have zero to 5? Could I bring back a huge minus phone number? Could my center opponent maybe not take a joke? could they be in a 4-3 fit?
I chickened out.
I don't blame you. This kind of hand is what makes me an advocate for overcalls with a 4M suit. Since partner could not we probably need to surrender to 3♦
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Posted 2009-December-12, 12:54
C'mon guys - you can't Pass - if you think 4D is too much then you have to Double!
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Posted 2009-December-12, 13:26
Definitely double. I agree it's not good enough for 4♦ but what bad is likely to happen to me? Pass 3♥ 3♥ 4♥ 4♠ by partner are all good, 3NT 4♣ 5♣ aren't great but might be fine.
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Posted 2009-December-12, 13:30
If I doubled and partner bid 3 of a major, I'd probably raise. If I doubled and partner bid 4♣ or 3NT, I wouldn't be terribly happy about passing. I bid 4♦.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-December-12, 13:59
4d ldo
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Posted 2009-December-12, 16:13
ldo = lol typo, or acronym i dont know?
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Posted 2009-December-12, 16:15
4♦, Like, Duh, Obviously.
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Posted 2009-December-12, 19:39
I'd double
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Posted 2009-December-12, 20:08
Can't pass and I slightly prefer double to 4♦. I certainly can live with 4♦ but would like just a bit better hand. Perhaps I am wrong about that?
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Posted 2009-December-12, 20:38
4D. You have to bid here or you will often be robbed blind. My glass is half full, not half empty.
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Posted 2009-December-12, 20:57
Hell, I can't get my soul mate (she says I am a Wus) to agree with my pass either. Clearly outnumbered --sigh. 
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Posted 2009-December-13, 08:39
I play DAPO(superMAF per Chiel Vorheis sp?) 3H =S+C, 3S =H+D, 4C =S+H,
and X =1-suited(may also jump above 2-suiter bids -> choose) OR 3-suited OR bal.
So easy 4C with no further act if partner picks 4M. 4H if partner 4D =Q-bid strong.
The real problems for DAPO occur with 5-4 or 4-4: deviate because of something? Which way: X treating 5422 as bal ->may into 4-2 fit or rebid as if 1-suiter? Or act as 2-suiter on 54-22?
and X =1-suited(may also jump above 2-suiter bids -> choose) OR 3-suited OR bal.
So easy 4C with no further act if partner picks 4M. 4H if partner 4D =Q-bid strong.
The real problems for DAPO occur with 5-4 or 4-4: deviate because of something? Which way: X treating 5422 as bal ->may into 4-2 fit or rebid as if 1-suiter? Or act as 2-suiter on 54-22?
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Posted 2009-December-13, 10:56
That clears it up.
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