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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2009-August-27, 11:43

2nd over all, 59% at the club last night :)

Here's one unremarkable but bothersome hand,

Scoring: MP

1♥ (1♠) ?

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Posted 2009-August-27, 11:56

Hi jilly, way to go with the 59%:) pass, is this a trick question?
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Posted 2009-August-27, 11:58

Hi Kathryn

Congrats on placing. I'm not sure there is any "right" answer on this hand. If I had to assign points (Challenge the Champs or some such), I'd expect to see

X = 8
P = 6
1N = 3
2♥ = 2
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Posted 2009-August-27, 12:10

Disagree with Richard, I think pass is clear. There is not much need to bid when you have 4 spades and marginal values.
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Posted 2009-August-27, 12:32

jillybean, on Aug 27 2009, 12:43 PM, said:

2nd over all, 59% at the club last night :P

Here's one unremarkable but bothersome hand,

Scoring: MP

1♥ (1♠) ?

an uncomfortable 1NT or pass look to be the choices and since I get to bid b4 my LHO I get to beat them to bidding 1NT :)
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Posted 2009-August-27, 12:49

I like pass, but I'm a notoriously unagressive and incorrect bidder. :)
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2009-August-27, 12:52

I would pass.

If pard passes out 1♠, you should feel pretty good.
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Posted 2009-August-27, 17:46

Hmm...I'll take the risk of going against some serious expert talent here and bid 1NT, being in the Whereagles camp that thinks I am close enough to stopping ♠ and if PD is concerned he can likely ask for a stop later.

It is MP all white. If we bid 1NT and take 7 tricks we get 90. If the opps end up in 1NT and we take 7 tricks we get 50 and visa versa.

If PD passes out 1♠ and we beat it one, that is 50, if we beat it 2 it is only 100 but that won't outscore what we may make should 2NT or 2♥ or 3m make.

I don't care for X here as we don't have 4 cards in each minor and on a bad day end up in a 33 fit. After our 1NT pd may rebid a 4 card minor anyhow and we end up in the same place as after X.
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Posted 2009-August-27, 17:57

I think pass is best, you can still bid 1NT when your pard doubles. If he passes, defending should be good! If you were a little stronger you'd probably have to bid 1NT. Maybe if you had shorter spades, 2♥ would be an interesting choice, because they would likely end up in 2♠ and your partner will feel better about leading a heart. I have a partner who is fond of doing this. We have ended up in some fun contracts but at least when he doesn't raise, i have medium length in their suit, and I know from the auction he has a few high cards, I know he's not going to have the king doubleton.
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Posted 2009-August-27, 17:57

I passed but thought my hand with 3 T's and 2 9's was perhaps too good to pass.

Scoring: MP

1♥ (1♠) AP


Misdefended to let them make 1♠
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Posted 2009-August-27, 18:04

I would go with pass... you know, it is a legal bid... and the auction is not over.
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Posted 2009-August-27, 18:28

Pass with this. Partner should reopen with a X on your shown hand.
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Posted 2009-August-28, 10:04

I was going to ask yesterday - what hands pass in the passout seat? Maybe hands with 3+ spades, or 2 spades with strong defensive values?

I agree that partner should be doubling.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2009-August-28, 10:43

inquiry, on Aug 28 2009, 02:04 AM, said:

you know, it is a legal bid...

No it's not.
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Posted 2009-August-28, 11:41

gwnn, on Aug 28 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

inquiry, on Aug 28 2009, 02:04 AM, said:

you know, it is a legal bid...

No it's not.

I agree. But it is a legal call.
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Posted 2009-August-28, 13:16

Justin was dead right, IMO. The reason why passing makes so much sense includes the fact that you have four spades. That increases the chance that partner will have 2533 shape, or better, and make the obvious reopening double.

Of course, partner might opt to pass with 2533 and then blame you for not doubling for him.

BTW -- after 1♥-X-?, I would consider bidding 2♥ with this hand, notwithstanding the doubleton heart, simply because of the lead advantage. That may be sick, and I probably would not do it in reality, but I point this out because it brings up a point, namely that an aggressive bid here is not that beneficial to partner on lead, as you may well be on lead if you defend. Instead, a call by you might actually help Declarer more, if the opponents buy the contract.
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Posted 2009-August-29, 03:59

for the expert, pass makes the most sense, but for the B/I either 1NT or 2♥ is better: you are more likely to score well declaring the hand than possibly misdefending.

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Posted 2009-August-29, 09:26

bill1157, on Aug 29 2009, 02:59 AM, said:

for the expert, pass makes the most sense, but for the B/I either 1NT or 2♥ is better: you are more likely to score well declaring the hand than possibly misdefending.

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Posted 2009-August-29, 11:28

I don't mind the 10xxx stopper for 1N, but the overall hand isn't strong enough for this free bid. If I held the same hand with 9-10 hcps I would chose 1N over negative double.
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Posted 2009-August-29, 12:01

Winstonm, on Aug 29 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

I don't mind the 10xxx stopper for 1N, but the overall hand isn't strong enough for this free bid. If I held the same hand with 9-10 hcps I would chose 1N over negative double.

Hmm PD opened..we'd respond 1NT with 6 HCP. Why do we need to be stronger here?
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