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Posted 2009-August-20, 10:08

i thought i was going insane. the people at the junior teaching table said X is really good (you have 3!! trump tricks and partner opened) and that the heart lead is obvious. On this hand it gets 300 and anything else is 100
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Posted 2009-August-21, 03:57

They saw all the hands, a common mistake in the analysis.

Double dummy I had doubled too. But maybe they had not bid 3 Spade in that case. ;)

We expect partner to hold something around 0355 or maybe 0265, so what sense has a heart lead?
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Posted 2009-August-21, 04:45

What was the actual hand?
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Posted 2009-August-21, 05:05

oops
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Posted 2009-August-21, 05:09

Oh my. Sorry. looking for it again.

http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer...7562-1245581872
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Posted 2009-August-21, 05:15

So partner has a takeout double of 2

and not a 1 opening.
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Posted 2009-August-21, 05:48

Partner misbid his hand twice and you should know it?

Amazing. He should have opened 1 Club, and he has a clear cut double of 2 Spade.
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Posted 2009-August-21, 06:18

Disagree. Partner does not have a 1C but a 1D opening. If you open 1C, what are you going to bid over 1S? 2C? "Caloo calay, oh frabjous day". What a great bid! That really helps partner evaluate his hand.

However, I agree that partner certainly has a t/o double of 2S.
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Posted 2009-August-21, 07:58

We have a rule here that doubled part scores require a trump lead.

Even though i wouldn't double here (for the same reasons as Double !), I would treat the favorable vulnerability as a doubled contract, and still lead a small .
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Posted 2009-August-21, 08:00

I will stick my neck out here. I don't mind a dobule of 3.

Its a hand where you woudl really like to know how aggressive your opponents are. If I think my opponents have been bidding v aggressively, then I will adjust my style and double when i think there is a chance of -2, like here. I could easily pick up 500 on a partscore hand. If my opponents have repeatedly been passive in partscore auctions, then its an obvious pass.

People do have different styles here. I have known people who thought aka L cohens book, that

JTxx
xxx
xxx
xxx

Was an obvious 3s bid at unfavourable opposite 1s opener. If i have seen this type of thing on a previous board dble is coming out of the box. I played with others who arent sure that

KTxx
x
QJxxx
xxx

was worth a 3s bid at unfavourable. If i have seen that on a previous board pass is obvious.

Most people play somewhere in the middle. I would think a dble is clear at matchpoints, and probably has something close to a zero expectation and teams. Probably a little positive. I would certainly double if i was a little behind. There is a chance of a large negative, but also a big chance of a large positive. Most of the time you collect -1 but get an added psychological bonus that it is harder for them to be aggressive on subsequent boards.
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