[mike777]

1s always but given that this was posted in B/I as a honest question and that it generated many responses, good post.


Good example that what for many is 100% clear for many others of us as B/I is tough.

[Phil]

1♠ is pretty obvious. The overcaller has a 2♥ rebid and game is reached.

Don't torture yourself with agonizing over bids like this. Sometimes you'll get dropped in a silly 5-1 spade fit, and sometimes you'll get a little high.

Imagine partner's pain as they struggle in a silly 5-0 diamond fit when you are cold for game or slam in spades.

[the hog]

1S. Is this another trick question?

[Old York]

The_Hog, on May 13 2009, 04:15 AM, said:

1S. Is this another trick question?

Maybe we were shown the wrong hand and asked the wrong questions?

Many Wests Doubled, and the remainder who overcalled 1♦ had a rebid problem over a 1♠ or 1NT reply.
Many pairs failed to find the 4-4 Heart fit which is a disaster at MP
Most pairs were happy to play in partscore (reasonable at MP)
Some pairs went down in game (disaster at MP)

Tony

Scoring: MP

South opens 1♣
how should these hands be bid?
N/S remain silent

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[helene_t]

Tony, playing modern North American style, partner could easily have more than 15 points. His hand was not a maximum overcall.

Double with the West hand is very weird, it wouldn't occur to me even in England, much less with a non-British p.

[Old York]

helene_t, on May 13 2009, 03:53 PM, said:

Double with the West hand is very weird, it wouldn't occur to me even in England, much less with a non-British p.

Sorry, I was just stating the facts and not suggesting that double was correct.

The interesting part of this hand is what happens after:
1♣-(1♦)-pass-(1♠/1NT)
pass-(??)
after 1♠ some rebid 2♦ or 1NT which cannot be right?
after 1NT many passed

It is imperative to find the Heart fit on this hand

Tony

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

playing standard methods, it is hard to discover the heart fit.

After the normal start

(1C) - 1D - (Pass) - 1S (1)
(Pass) - ???

(1) I agree, 1S is more sane, than 1NT ( ) or 1H,
but I never claimed to always bid in a sane manner

You have a problem:

#1 The hand is not good enough to bid 2H
#2 One is missing a club stopper
#3 One is missing a spade (or two spades)

=> It is either Pass (if 1S is nonforcing) or 2D, or if 1S
promised a reasonable suit 2S.
After a 2D bid , the partner has an fairly easy 2H, showing 5-4
in the majors, in which case you discovered your heart fit.

But the overcaller has to make the right decision, and it is not
always 100% clear cut, which one he should make, depending
of course on methods.

You have it easier, if you played the polish notrump, the given
hand is a brilliant example, why some people like to play this
convention: A 1NT overcall show 5 diamonds and a 4 card
major, 8-15HCP).

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: To complete the short description of the polish NT:
After a major suit opening a 1NT overcall showes 4 card in the
other major and a 5 card minor suit with 8-15.
And a 2C / 2D overcall usually denies a 4 card major suit.
(I am not advocating it.)

[bid_em_up]

gwnn, on May 12 2009, 12:42 PM, said:

1♠, 1♠, and 1 spade are all viable alternatives.

Agree