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worth an overcall?

Poll: your call? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

your call?

  1. Pass (24 votes [88.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 88.89%

  2. Double (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  3. 3h (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

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Posted 2009-April-06, 10:46

None Vul, IMPs

♠Jx
♥AQJxx
♦K9x
♣Jxx

(1♣)-pass-(2♠)*-???

* weak
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Posted 2009-April-06, 10:59

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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:04

I wouldn't.
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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:05

Seriously?
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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:26

Well, there is some danger that partner can't balance either and we will defend 2♠ making when we could make 3♥. It's not like partner is going to learn anything substantial from opener's pass.

Perhaps this would have been a better matchpoint problem.
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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:27

P-A-S-S.
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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:28

Apollo81, on Apr 6 2009, 12:26 PM, said:

Well, there is some danger that partner can't balance either and we will defend 2♠ making when we could make 3♥. It's not like partner is going to learn anything substantial from opener's pass.

Perhaps this would have been a better matchpoint problem.

To first part, if you can make 3♥ you will be in 4♥.

To second part, seriously?
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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:32

Obviously there are significant risks to taking a non-pass call, but if we pass, won't partner frequently have a weak notrump hand and pass this auction out? Is defending 2♠ really our best spot in such a case?
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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:43

If you don't have enough to act then you don't have enough. You can make all the same arguments if it goes 2♠ opening on your right, or 1♣ p 3♠ natural and weak to you. But none of that is a particularly good reason to act on a clearly inadequate hand.
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Posted 2009-April-06, 11:46

jdonn, on Apr 6 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

If you don't have enough to act then you don't have enough. You can make all the same arguments if it goes 2♠ opening on your right, or 1♣ p 3♠ natural and weak to you. But none of that is a particularly good reason to act on a clearly inadequate hand.

You wouldn't bid NV over a 2♠ opening on your right either? (assume partner isn't a passed hand, which is is sort of not here).
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Posted 2009-April-06, 14:27

It's very risky, but this is very likely to get passed our, so I think you should bid. Certainly at MPs.

3♥. With trepidation.
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Posted 2009-April-06, 14:30

whereagles, on Apr 6 2009, 03:27 PM, said:

It's very risky, but this is very likely to get passed our, so I think you should bid. Certainly at MPs.

3♥. With trepidation.

Trepidation isn't the adjective that I would use...
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Posted 2009-April-06, 15:14

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Posted 2009-April-08, 07:27

Unsurprisingly, overcalling works out poorly:

Scoring: IMP


EW can take 4♥ down four on good defense. They have to double to win more than 1 IMP, however, as South will likely lead diamonds against a spade contract.

It's interesting to note that if West opens a Precision 1♦, 4♥x will be a very likely contract for N-S.
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Posted 2009-April-08, 08:28

I am curious - who is going to double 4♥, East or West?
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Posted 2009-April-08, 11:27

I'm not sure what your hand proves. Give East a 6331 or 7321 and West one more red card, and you are making 4H with 2S only one off.

But then give East a top spade honour, and that ain't true any more.
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Posted 2009-April-08, 11:54

Apollo81, on Apr 6 2009, 12:46 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 6 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

If you don't have enough to act then you don't have enough. You can make all the same arguments if it goes 2♠ opening on your right, or 1♣ p 3♠ natural and weak to you. But none of that is a particularly good reason to act on a clearly inadequate hand.

You wouldn't bid NV over a 2♠ opening on your right either? (assume partner isn't a passed hand, which is is sort of not here).

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Posted 2009-April-08, 12:25

FrancesHinden, on Apr 8 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

I'm not sure what your hand proves. Give East a 6331 or 7321 and West one more red card, and you are making 4H with 2S only one off.

But then give East a top spade honour, and that ain't true any more.

I don't think it proves anything.
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Posted 2009-April-08, 12:26

ArtK78, on Apr 8 2009, 10:28 AM, said:

I am curious - who is going to double 4♥, East or West?

East can (to get a club lead) and did at the other table.
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Posted 2009-April-08, 12:31

Apollo81, on Apr 6 2009, 12:46 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 6 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

If you don't have enough to act then you don't have enough. You can make all the same arguments if it goes 2♠ opening on your right, or 1♣ p 3♠ natural and weak to you. But none of that is a particularly good reason to act on a clearly inadequate hand.

You wouldn't bid NV over a 2♠ opening on your right either? (assume partner isn't a passed hand, which is is sort of not here).

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