[3asi]

I thing there would be other ways to solve conn. problems. And all of them don´t follow the way of punish people.

Maybe all this players with a bad conn. could find a subs. in "stand by" before check in one of them.

Maybe they are waiting for Loto prices to change their old P.C.

I agree with patrobo.

And I understand 2 what kind of problems BBO´s org. is having for all these red spots.

Diff. offences = diff. punishment.

[Gerardo]

Gweny, on May 1 2004, 04:31 AM, said:

I understand wanting to finish with original partner but at same time waiting - even when opps agree to a- is very very time consuming for we need keep checking back to see if it is ok now. and in 8 min round what is reasonable wait? if we wait 3 min and person return and the opps experience problem and we need wait suddenly we lose entire board and who is to blame?

Well, you DON'T check, that's the idea
You wait for calls, like "Now my partner is gone", and you adjust only in that case (if the call is timely, you can evaluate fairly). If missing long time, an "I'm back" call is in order.

I made this policy when I was TDing often (now very rare) to have LESS work, making players responsible of the calls (which I think it's the right thing to do).

No "opp need sub" calls (well, yes. explain once, then ignore). Now it can be put in the rules, so no explanation. Worked nicely, and still do (when occasionally used).

[patrobo]

I have read the responses to my query re suspension of players with bad conn.

Ty spwdo, I think your suggestion re unclocked tourneys is an excellent suggestion.
I know that people with bad conns already try to opt for these. However, with the present suspension system in place, it would be necessary for a suspended player to be enabled to play in an unclocked tourney.

Well done, ty Maybe this can be extended even more))

Pat

[spwdo]

3asi, on May 1 2004, 10:55 PM, said:

I thing there would be other ways to solve conn. problems. And all of them don´t follow the way of punish people.

Maybe all this players with a bad conn. could find a subs. in "stand by" before check in one of them.

Maybe they are waiting for Loto prices to change their old P.C.

I agree with patrobo.

And I understand 2 what kind of problems BBO´s org. is having for all these red spots.

Diff. offences = diff. punishment.

hi,


its beyond me , really is.I love to drive fast cars yet im not driving formula one, why? first they wont let me(not fast enough) second if they let me i wont enter why? im not fast enough.


I really dont get why some woud like to play something that they are incapeble of(for whatever reason) and this time and time again.

There is nothing more to it and its very selfabsoberd to ask +200 ppl to wait several minutes every round for a couple of slowplayers.No solution this suggestion of "stands in"(wont find any to stand in and tourneys still have same problems), we just spend tomany times on subbing every tourney (always the same names over and over)
We want to focuss on delibrately slowplayers (when they are down), alertissues, chaeting , just on bridge nothing more nothing less.

We agree with gerardo that its everybodys own rensposiblity to inform td when they beeen damaged (= calling in time), so no adjust for slowplay after roundchange, call td in time and we adjust on the spot, obligated writing in the calldirector box woud help, some use it to explain prob, to many dont use this feauture.

Agreed with 3aisi that diffrent punishment for diffrent offences

We dont see it as a punisching when someone is barred, its simply software giving you realitycheck(incapeble of finisching , then we say dont start and so avoid problems for others)
whole other ballgame is the intentionel disconnects after scoring bad.
We still see redbl games causing a lot of unfinisched baords (covennient slowplay when they down, alias chaeting)and after adjusting too many of these players still close bbo, so scoring bad still causes more then usual red dots:(. We think after a barr of 2/3/4 it might be time to make the barring longer or in xtreem cases permanent

BBO TD FRIENDS

[aisha759]

It is very unfair to bar a player with poor internet connection from tournaments, even if its for a week!
One should differentiate between intentional disconnects, and bad connections.... (Sometimes a red dot is not shown even though a player might be frozen), I don't know how one deals with that.. I am talking mostly about RED players...All that said and done, once a player realizes that his/her partner is truly having connection problems, they should accept the consequence of continuing the tourney with a sub.
I have had a bad connection all week long... thank God I didnt play in more than 3 tourneys, otherwise I might have been barred ...
It is very frustrating for the person with the bad connection, the partner, the opponents and the TD's ... you can't please everybody, this is fully understood; but barring them is a punishment which doesnt fit the crime
Unclocked tournaments are the solutions for such problems, as Marc suggested, but there arent that many out there....

All my sympathies go out to those who have been barred for poor connections

[spwdo]

hi

Aisha, think from all barred the ones with bad connection have the most sympathy but unfortunaly fact remains they cant keep pace as stated in tourneysrules.(better not join then? )

A momentary bad connection happens to most on occassion and if u have a partner willing to wait couple of minutes or one baord and take an average- for it nothing to wurrie then.

What i strongly support and most seem to do so is differentiate between intentionel/unintentionel disconnect.

Like i said before in our tourneys we wait as long as possible/reasonable, most of the time players after a while either choce a sub or ask for one.

We never sub outside the table, we ask partner first if he wants a sub or prefer the wait with consequences(A-)

Agree also with you that there maybe arent enough unclocked events but i see very large amounts of teammatches(maybe a suggestion/alternative for lesser connected players)

So overall we very sure that the majority of players we sub out are not present at tourney start or leave after not scoring as planned/hoped for.

All my sympathys go to the less fortunate ,poor connected , unable to get better connections members on bbo( i have several friends that are bad connected yet i see them hardly ever not finisch a tourney)


BBO TD FRIENDS
note that i sign as a group, we talk a lot every day and i been asked to post on thier behalf as well(some have languages prob,some no time,some no interes to post themselves,they like to laugh with my typing im sure is the main reason for most)

[mr1303]

The reason TDs generally don't like to run unclocked tourneys is that the tournament could take ages, especially the last few boards. If I run a clocked tournament, then I can set aside an hour or two, and know that I'll be finished after that set time period. With unclocked tournaments, they could last for a lot longer. I have a life outside of bridge.

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