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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-June-17, 03:36

Axx
AQxxx
AQxx
x

all white imps

1♥-1♠-X-2♠
?
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Posted 2008-June-17, 03:39

3S, then 4D over 4C
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Posted 2008-June-17, 03:58

I would just invite with 4♦. If partner passes this, I think we are probably high enough.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 04:47

3♠.

[Added] I think this hand is much too powerful for light action. I think that, if Leb is available, 3♠ is still and more right because of the first-round spade control.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 04:51

Don't we play Lebensohl here? If we do, would it be ridicolous to bid 3♦?
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Posted 2008-June-17, 08:23

4♦
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Posted 2008-June-17, 08:27

3♦ if playing g/b, 4♦ otherwise.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 08:30

pclayton, on Jun 17 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

3♦ if playing g/b, 4♦ otherwise.

Agreed and hoping I am playing g/b2NT here
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Posted 2008-June-17, 08:44

I think you mean "good/bad" Helene, not lebensohl. Playing this I bid 3D else 4D.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 11:12

I would always drive to game with this hand. Is 3D forcing playing G/B?
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Posted 2008-June-17, 11:27

Jlall, on Jun 17 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

I would always drive to game with this hand. Is 3D forcing playing G/B?

No its not. I wonder if 4♦ is forcing playing that.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 14:38

Hi,

4D.

If you happen to play 2NT as some kind of Lebensohl,
than it is either 3D or 2NT followed by 3D.

As it is, this is certainly not standard, and the hand is
too strong for a simple 3D bid.

This of course assumes, that X showed both minors,
and may not be based on a bal. hand with 10-12.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: 4D is certainly not forcing, but highly invitational.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 16:02

This is a hand from the European championships. I was kibbing Russia v France. Both tables doubled here, and I didn't get it.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 16:09

I don't think there is anything wrong with double. Partner won't pass it and it may give us additional information at a low level - imagine he takes it out to 3♦.
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Posted 2008-June-17, 17:09

I expect that the point of double was to bid 3♦ over partner's 3♣, showing a forcing 3♦ bid.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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