[catch22]

Scoring: IMP

P-(2♠)-X-(XX)
P - P - ?

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Do you agree with the double?
How do you play pass by partner?
What now?

[Apollo81]

When I have an agreement about passes of redoubles, it is that they are for penalty if:

(1) our suit is well-positioned behind theirs, or
(2) auction is at the 2-level, and they have not bid and raised, or
(3) auction is at the 3-level

With no agreement, you are guessing, although I would expect a good player to want to defend here. I would probably pass.

[whereagles]

1. yes
2. to play
3. pass

[P_Marlowe]

#1 yes, my regular partner would not
#2 no preference
#3 3H

It would be harder, if partner would not
be a passed hand. In this case, it could
very well be, that he is interested in playing
2S, but in the given situation I doubt it.

If we regular encounter people, who psych
the XX, we may change our agreement.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: My first question would be, what does XX
mean, it is always a great idea to ask about X
and XX, at least in germany, because X, XX and
Pass wont be alerted.

[FrancesHinden]

whereagles, on Jan 29 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

1. yes
2. to play
3. pass

what he said (wow!)

[skjaeran]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 29 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 29 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

1. yes
2. to play
3. pass

what he said (wow!)

Ditto

[whereagles]

You guys agreeing with me?

Here, you might want to check your temperature..

[655321]

whereagles, on Jan 29 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

1. yes
2. to play
3. pass

Agree.
I play pass at the 2 level by partner is always to play. Pass at the 1 level is only to play when you pass sitting over the trumps. Under the trumps pass is nothing to say.

[ArtK78]

It is my understanding that passes of redoubles after preemptive openings are for business - otherwise, the partner of the preemptor could insert a psychic redouble anytime he felt that the takeout double was going to be passed out.

If I have had an opportunity to discuss this with a partner, that is certainly my choice.

Passes over redoubles at the one-level pass the buck - they say that the passer has no clear action, but it is DEFINITELY NOT for penalties.

However, after a preemptive opening bid, the situation is different. The frequency of a penalty pass is higher. So one must not let the opponent's redouble change the meaning of our call.

I have a strong belief that this treatment is close enough to being universal among experts that I would assume that the pass is for penalties even if we have not discussed it.

[Fluffy]

I don't think we have enough for the first double, but that's just me

[whereagles]

Jlall, on Jan 29 2008, 10:29 PM, said:

I would never pass undiscussed, would anyone really do that?

Well, if LHO is talking serious, 3♥ is probably gonna be a bloodbath, so we might as well try our luck in 2♠ rdbled

But yeah, I agree I'd probably pull to 3♥ opposite a random. My pass was done assuming pet pard (that's what the poster asked).

[whereagles]

ArtK78, on Jan 29 2008, 10:40 PM, said:

1. Passes over redoubles at the one-level pass the buck - they say that the passer has no clear action, but it is DEFINITELY NOT for penalties.

2. However, after a preemptive opening bid, the situation is different.  The frequency of a penalty pass is higher.  So one must not let the opponent's redouble change the meaning of our call.

1. In Europe, it's common to play

(1x) dbl (rdbl) pass

as to play. Especially if x = minor. This is probably the only situation were you'd want to play pass as "no preference". At the 2+ level or in the case of

(1x) pass (pass) dbl
(rdbl) pass

this certainly is to play, since pard has his cards over opener's.


2. Especially if opps are walruses, to whom "weak 2 = 6-10 hcp, 6 cards", regardless of suit strength

[whereagles]

Fluffy, on Jan 29 2008, 11:41 PM, said:

I don't think we have enough for the first double, but that's just me

yes

[rbforster]

whereagles, on Jan 30 2008, 05:23 AM, said:

To play... especially if opps are walruses, to whom "weak 2 = 6-10 hcp, 6 cards", regardless of suit strength

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply about walruses, and I probably don't want to hear what you call the folks playing "weak 2 = 3-8 hcp, 5+ cards" either!

[Codo]

whereagles, on Jan 30 2008, 07:23 PM, said:

1. In Europe, it's common to play

(1x) dbl (rdbl) pass

as to play. Especially if x = minor. This is probably the only situation were you'd want to play pass as "no preference". At the 2+ level or in the case of

(1x) pass (pass) dbl
(rdbl) pass

this certainly is to play, since pard has his cards over opener's.

Your example 1. is defenitly not standard as to play where I live. It is "no clear call".

And Nr 2 is doubtfull too. Without an agreement I would never ever pass. XX for business may be the best idea, but surely not without agreement.

[whereagles]

it would help if you say where u live

[Fluffy]

Escandinavia

In Spain direct pass over 1 level redouble is taken as no preference by everyone, but I think anything else is penalty.

[whereagles]

Well, that's strange. The SEF book, played in iberia and france, recommends the "to play" interpretation. Which is probably a better one because at least it is consistent: "all passes of business rdbls are to play"

[helene_t]

Never heard of anyone playing pass as to play at the one-level. Beginner's learn to play it as "no preference". Experts play it that way, too.

Not sure what "standard" is at the 2-level.