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I Have 16 And 4 Loser Hand ... ...and LHO opened strong NT

#1 User is offline   zasanya 

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Posted 2008-January-27, 10:58

Scoring: Chicago

Dealer opens 1NT.After 2 passes over to you.

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Posted 2008-January-27, 11:02

I make whatever bid is appropriate given my methods...

If you tell me what methods you've agreed to I might be able to make a useful comment.
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Posted 2008-January-27, 11:04

Show both majors if available or bid 2♥ if nothing is available.
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Posted 2008-January-27, 11:47

hrothgar, on Jan 27 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

I make whatever bid is appropriate given my methods...

If you tell me what methods you've agreed to I might be able to make a useful comment.

On that day I was playing Landy; but you may use whatver you play with your favourite P.
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Posted 2008-January-27, 12:54

zasanya, on Jan 27 2008, 06:47 PM, said:

QUOTE (hrothgar @ Jan 27 2008, 12:02 PM)
I make whatever bid is appropriate given my methods...

If you tell me what methods you've agreed to I might be able to make a useful comment. 


On that day I was playing Landy; but you may use whatver you play with your favourite P.

Playing Landy I'd start with 2♣, planning to rebid 3♦.
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Posted 2008-January-27, 13:06

hrothgar, on Jan 27 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

I make whatever bid is appropriate given my methods...

If you tell me what methods you've agreed to I might be able to make a useful comment.

nonsense

I bid 2♣ showing 4540 shape 16 count
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Posted 2008-January-27, 13:30

If playing natural methods, 2♥, saving pard from the dreaded club lead B)
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Posted 2008-January-27, 17:18

show majors then bid diamonds
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Posted 2008-January-27, 18:47

I'd start with double, I really really really really fear partner being weak with long clubs and passing if I bid 2♣ to show majors.
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Posted 2008-January-27, 19:36

Jlall, on Jan 27 2008, 03:18 PM, said:

show majors then bid diamonds

Excellent plan. Shows extras and the 3rd suit.
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Posted 2008-January-27, 19:48

jdonn, on Jan 27 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

I'd start with double, I really really really really fear partner being weak with long clubs and passing if I bid 2♣ to show majors.

That is not the end of the world, I think. If he is one-suited with clubs, we don't have an attractive place anyway. 2♣ might even be best, if he has a huge bunch of them.

I agree with majors + 3♦. Partner is probably not so strong, but he might have a good fit for one of our suits. This plan caters to all 3 of them.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 05:37

Hi,

Assuming the 1NT opener showed 15-17HCP,
and since you play Landy, I would bid 2C,
which for me shows only 4-4, and I will stop
at the 2 level.

I may miss game, ... fairly likely, else why
post the question, but so be it.
But sometimes, they will try to fight back and
sometimes partner will be able to bid 3? on his
own, ... and if this happens, I will bid 4?, because
I now know, I have a fit.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2008-January-28, 05:42

jdonn, on Jan 28 2008, 01:47 AM, said:

I'd start with double, I really really really really fear partner being weak with long clubs and passing if I bid 2♣ to show majors.

I agree with this.

Also I'm not convinced 2C then 3D shows this many high cards, we should always be limited by our inability to double first.

If they pull the double the 2C I'll cue 3C which should show extreme shortage (assuming we play sensible methods)

If partner pulls the double to 2C I'll probably just bid 2H.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 09:21

jdonn, on Jan 27 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

I'd start with double, I really really really really fear partner being weak with long clubs and passing if I bid 2♣ to show majors.

But if pard passes 2♣, might that be a good spot?
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Posted 2008-January-28, 09:25

Double. With a void club I can see that other approaches might work better, but still double it is.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 09:55

pclayton, on Jan 28 2008, 10:21 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 27 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

I'd start with double, I really really really really fear partner being weak with long clubs and passing if I bid 2♣ to show majors.

But if pard passes 2♣, might that be a good spot?

It might but I don't think it's that likely.
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Posted 2008-January-28, 10:27

I join the landy then diamonds... and a word to those who prefer to double first: if my memory of landy is correct, this shows a hand that wants to balance 2♣ and is unable to do so due to the use of 2♣ for the majors..... in direct seat it is penalty, but in balancing it is clubs. Now, it has been years since I've played landy, so I may be wrong.

If I am correct, then double is out, and so we are left with 2♣.. the main worry is that partner has a minor 2-suiter and passes. I am not worried about a club ine suiter, since with 7 clubs in dummy, I will try to pull off a dummy reversal B)
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