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♠AJxx ♥J ♦xxx ♣KJ9xx
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Pass by you, 1♦ pard - 1♠ you - 2♠ pard. Invite?
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Posted 2008-January-20, 21:28
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Posted 2008-January-20, 21:31
Yes.
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Posted 2008-January-20, 21:37
Yes
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-January-20, 21:38
Yes, but I think this is close.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 00:39
Invite. 3♣ or 3♥, depending upon what game tries apply. Or even 2NT if we've got a decent response structure.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 01:47
Seems clear invite to me. Might be a game bid opposite mike777 half the time.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 03:44
Yes definitely. Plenty of minimum holdings for p will make game so whatever long/short/help suit game try is, use it.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 14:23
I would pass, only if the methods allowed to show invitational with heart shortness I'd think of inviting, but here, game wll be horrible anytime partner has a heart honnor.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 17:03
If the raise always showed 4 I would bid game, but if it might be 3 I would just invite
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Posted 2008-January-21, 17:20
Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades.
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-January-21, 17:23
gnasher, on Jan 21 2008, 03:20 PM, said:
Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades.
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
Well, I just passed. A disappointing ♠KQxx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣AQ hit and I was =170. Lose 6. I thought it was pretty unlucky to see very little heart duplication and those club fillers. Maybe I should reconsider based on the responses.
I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 17:41
pclayton, on Jan 21 2008, 06:23 PM, said:
gnasher, on Jan 21 2008, 03:20 PM, said:
Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades.
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
Well, I just passed. A disappointing ♠KQxx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣AQ hit and I was =170. Lose 6. I thought it was pretty unlucky to see very little heart duplication and those club fillers. Maybe I should reconsider based on the responses.
I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either.
strange 1D opener by pard!
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Posted 2008-January-21, 18:25
Jlall, on Jan 21 2008, 03:41 PM, said:
pclayton, on Jan 21 2008, 06:23 PM, said:
gnasher, on Jan 21 2008, 03:20 PM, said:
Also interesting, I think, is the choice of invitation, assuming that the raise promises only three spades.
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
Presumably either 3C or 3S might lead to an uncomfortable 3S opposite a minimum 3=4=5=1, or indeed to an uncomfortable 4S opposite a better 3=4=5=1. Where I come from 2NT and 3D suggest only four spades, but they're not terribly descriptive.
I know this can be improved by playing 2NT as artificial, but from the sound of it most people would invite regardless of their methods. So, if you haven't already told us, which invitation would you make?
Well, I just passed. A disappointing ♠KQxx ♥Qxxxx ♦xx ♣AQ hit and I was =170. Lose 6. I thought it was pretty unlucky to see very little heart duplication and those club fillers. Maybe I should reconsider based on the responses.
I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either.
strange 1D opener by pard!
Oh I just saw I made a typo. It was a 1♥ call.
Does that matter?
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Posted 2008-January-21, 18:44
Even before seeing both hands - a clear invite. Our 2S bid could be a 3 carder, so will bid 2NT.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 03:09
pclayton said:
I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either.
Perhaps not, but if partner has only three spades and wants to reject your game try, he will bid 3S and you will pass, won't you?
Even when he has enough to accept the game try, I can't see 3NT being the best spot very often. Do standard methods allow you to reach 5D when it's right?
Edit: Corrected misattribution of the quote.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-January-22, 08:09
Invite or blast 4S to steal no info is my question.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 09:21
Yes, invite, ... 3C, showing values.
With kind regards
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Marlowe
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Posted 2008-January-22, 17:24
gnasher, on Jan 22 2008, 04:09 AM, said:
Jlall, on Jan 22 2008, 12:41 AM, said:
I think if this hand chooses to invites, its 3♣. I don't think it promises 5♠ either.
Perhaps not, but if partner has only three spades and wants to reject your game try, he will bid 3S and you will pass, won't you?
Even when he has enough to accept the game try, I can't see 3NT being the best spot very often. Do standard methods allow you to reach 5D when it's right?
uhh you should check before you quote people
I never wrote this.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 19:15
I play that 2NT (art F1) and 3 of opener's suit (NF inv) shows exactly 4 spades and new suits shows 5+ spades. 4-3's can be ok, but we should know what we are doing.
In my usual style of very aggressive openings and 3M raises (strong club context & weak NT), I would pass here. In standard, I would scrape up an invite.
In my usual style of very aggressive openings and 3M raises (strong club context & weak NT), I would pass here. In standard, I would scrape up an invite.
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Posted 2008-January-23, 03:09
Jlall, on Jan 23 2008, 12:24 AM, said:
uhh you should check before you quote people I never wrote this.
I never wrote this.Sorry - that was very careless of me.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn