[ArcLight]

Imps, all White
RHO opens 1♦

Whats your call with:
♠A K x x
♥ x
♦ K 5 3
♣ A K 9 x x

1 - DBL, and bid after pard bids, showing the BIG hand.
(Maybe pard will bid spades? yeah right ...)

2 - Overcall 2 Clubs?

3 - other?







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As your partner, How would you respond to DBL [ 1♦ - X - p - ?]
holding:
♠ T x x x
♥ Q J T 9 8 3
♦ J T
♣ x


1. Do you jump to 4♥?
2. Bid 2♦ - asking pards input
3. bid 2♥
4. Other ??? What??

[jtfanclub]

ArcLight, on Jan 22 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

Imps, all White
RHO opens 1♦

Whats your call with:
♠A K x x
♥ x
♦ K 5 3
♣ A K 9 x x

1 - DBL, and bid after pard bids, showing the BIG hand.
(Maybe pard will bid spades? yeah right ...)

2 - Overcall 2 Clubs?

3 - other?

Um, I overcall 1♠. If it comes back to me at 2♦, I will bid 3♣. If it comes back to me at 3♦, I will take a chance and X. Hopefully, P will leave it in.

[pbleighton]

2C.

Reverse spades and clubs, and I double, then bid spades, but this hand is within my upper limit (well, at my upper limit) of 2 level overcalls.

Peter

[hrothgar]

1NT for me

[SoTired]

2C. I will rebid 2S if the opps don't bid hearts. If my partner passes and the opps bid hearts, my second bid is a dbl, showing an overstrengthed overcall with 5♣ and 4♠ (some might say only 3♠).

Not dbl, because advancer with that xxxx QJxxxx x xx hand will make a preemptive heart bid and you will be stuck to know what to do next.

I don't like a 1S overcall either with 5♣ and 4♠. Why bid your suits backward? If the bidding dies at 2C, you are probably in the right contract.

After 1D X p
- 2D = shows major 4-4 or better with an invitational+ strength, or any game-forcing hand
- 2H = about 8-11 with 4+♥, invitational
- 3H = preemptive with 6+♥ and weak
- 4H = I play it preemptive, but some play it as a game hand with 5♥

[mike777]

2c planning on rebidding 2s, no problem yet.
btw I could have so so much less for 2clubs here.

Part2=3H preemptive.

[pclayton]

Id rank the calls in this order:

2C - Really, whats wrong with it? The suit is fine. So what if we have a 4 card major or a 17 count.

Of the rest:

1N - Least flawed of 1N, 1S and double. Strength is right, but the shape and the sharpness argue for suit play.

1S - Yuck! Too many flaws to count: Widest ranging call, 4 card suit, outside 5 bagger, etc..

Double - Worst call there is. The definition of Hades is correcting pard's heart call over a diamond preempt.

[whereagles]

I like a 2♣ overcall, but I'd actually bid it like this:

(1♦)
dbl 1♥
2♣ 2♥

and now it depends whether doubler feels lucky enough to bid 2♠. If he does, advancer has an easy raise.

A no-brainer for Marshall Miles, though: (1♦) 1♠

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Jan 22 2007, 03:25 PM, said:

and 1S complicates things greatly (if partner bids 2S, how do you get back to clubs or NT when its right? NT is possible though improbable and clubs would be impossible). So 2C it is.

This seems silly and backwards to me.

If the bidding goes (1♦)-1♠-2♠, I can say 3♣, to invite game, and worst case we end up at the 3 level if partner has next to nothing. In fact, I'd say that auction perfectly describes this hand.

If the bidding goes (1♦)-2♣-3♣, now what? If I say 3♠, my partner will have to go back to 4♣ if he doesn't have spades. We could even be missing a spade fit.

Any competitive auction where it's at three of the red suits when it comes back to me is going to make me lose whichever suit I didn't bid. But if we do end up owning the hand, the extra space will make a big difference.

One reason not to bid 1♠ is because it makes it easier for them to find their heart fit than 1NT. For this reason, with a regular partner I would bid 1NT. With an irregular partner, I'd think it too likely that we'd end up in 4♥.

[gwnn]

2♣ (then bidding spades shows genuine reverse values cause of Raptor)
3♥ (although it's a bit weaker than what I like)

[jtfanclub]

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uhh...huh?

You bid spades, then you bid clubs. You now showed a hand with GF values and 4 spades and 5 clubs? How would you bid with AKxxx xx Ax KQxx? You wouldn't overcall 1S then make a game try in clubs?

No, I'd bid 4♠. If I was feeling especially chicken, I'd bid 3♠. With the vast majority of my opponent's points on the right, the A♣ isn't that significant. We have a known fit, and we know far more from the 1♦ opener than we would normally. I have no interest in 3NT.

Your partner opens 1♦. You have 4♠, 5♣, and, say, 12 hcp. Would you say 1♠ or 2♣? Why? I am not in the habit of bypassing a good 4 card major to show a minor in any auction. This one does not strike me as an exception.

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If the bidding goes (1♦)-2♣-3♣, now what?  If I say 3♠, my partner will have to go back to 4♣ if he doesn't have spades.  We could even be missing a spade fit. 

I apologize for my lack of clarity. What I meant to say was, after (1♦)-2♣-3♣, I have a choice between losing a possible spade fit, and most likely ending up at 4♣. You don't have this problem after 1♦)-1♠-2♠. We also still have enough space to explore for 3NT.

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Pard will play you for enough values to try for game and 5+ clubs and 4 spades. Doesn't THIS describe your hand perfectly? If we knew for sure that partner would raise to 3C then who wouldn't bid 2C?

The people who don't like ending up in 4♣ in order to look for a spade fit? The people who like 3NT?

[mike777]

Not sure that I need this much to even bid 2c and then 2s...does this really promise a strong 17+ hcp reverse? In any case if partner bids 3clubs I do not see how I stop short of game on this monster so what is the problem with first bidding our longest suit and then bidding our next longest?

[brianshark]

2♣s for me on the first.

I'll jump to 4♥ on the 2nd one.

[the hog]

2C. I sympathise with 1S, but "no", not on this hand.

[BebopKid]

2♦ cue bid