[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     5♦    Pass  6♦
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

I would like ur comments please on how to bid this hand in sayc


please be nice my pard is 12 and she does not need to know about fancy systems, just what she should do here and why she plays basic SAYC thx and blackwood

TY

also she may post here if ur nice to her

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

ok, thanks for the hint .-).

2C (1) - 2D (2)
3D (3) - 4D (4)
4NT (5) - 5H (6)
7NT (7)

(1) strong artifical, not 100% game forcing
(2) waiting, the alternative, would be 2NT
bal. +8, but 2NT should also promise all
suit stopped, e.g. in diamond 10xxx would
be sufficient, and 9xx I would not sell as
stopper
(3) natural, +5 (most of the time a 6 card suit)
(4) natural forcing to game, with slam interest
(with no slam interest bid 5D)
(5) RKCB, aftr 4D you know you are playing
6D, it should have a play, what ever partner holds
for 4D, but if partner shows 2Aces, you can discard
the heart looser
(6) 2 Aces
(7) 13 tricks, claim

With kind regards
Marlowe

[luke warm]

i don't *think* this is too fancy (there must be some way to bid over 2C)

2c : 2s (8+, balanced)
3d : 4d
4nt : 5h
7nt

[paulg]

Typically an opening 5♦ is preemptive whereas North actually holds a hand where a 6♦ opener would be more appropriate!

It is often difficult to bid these hands accurately as the opposition will interfere, but the vulnerability helps you here so I would also open 2♣.

2♣ - 2♦/2NT (I don't really care which, but think 2NT is better)
4♦ - sets trump suit, demands cue bids
... - 4♠
4NT - not Blackwood, but asking for more cues
... - 5♣
5♥ - cue, really needs to know partner has 2 aces and not ♠A and ♣K
.... 7♦ (can I have more opposite a grand try?)

[EricK]

Playing a simple system it might go:
2♣ 2NT
4♦ 4♠
4NT 5♥
7NT

Where opener has showed a very strong hand with a solid ♦ suit, and responder has shown a balanced hand with 2 Aces.

[barmar]

luke warm, on May 31 2006, 07:40 PM, said:

i don't *think* this is too fancy (there must be some way to bid over 2C)

2c : 2s (8+, balanced)
3d : 4d
4nt : 5h
7nt

In what version of SAYC does 2♠ shows 8+ balanced? In SAYC it shows 8+ and a good 5-card ♠ suit.

I don't see a problem responding 2NT without all four suits stopped. If partner has a 2♣ opener and is missing these scattered 12 HCP, she practically has to have good stuff in ♦. And with your ♥QJxx and tenaces in the black suits, it looks better to have the opening lead come up to you.

North should not jump into Blackwood too quickly -- you have to be very careful about bidding Blackwood with a void. If responder shows 1 Ace, it's crucial to know whether it's the ♠ or ♣ -- there's no grand without first-round ♣ control. As you can see, several of the responses involved cue-bidding sequences, to allow South to show the ♠A, so when you go into Blackwood the response will be clearer.

[P_Marlowe]

barmar, on Jun 1 2006, 09:10 AM, said:

luke warm, on May 31 2006, 07:40 PM, said:

i don't *think* this is too fancy (there must be some way to bid over 2C)

2c : 2s (8+, balanced)
3d : 4d
4nt : 5h
7nt

In what version of SAYC does 2♠ shows 8+ balanced? In SAYC it shows 8+ and a good 5-card ♠ suit.

I don't see a problem responding 2NT without all four suits stopped. If partner has a 2♣ opener and is missing these scattered 12 HCP, she practically has to have good stuff in ♦. And with your ♥QJxx and tenaces in the black suits, it looks better to have the opening lead come up to you.

North should not jump into Blackwood too quickly -- you have to be very careful about bidding Blackwood with a void. If responder shows 1 Ace, it's crucial to know whether it's the ♠ or ♣ -- there's no grand without first-round ♣ control. As you can see, several of the responses involved cue-bidding sequences, to allow South to show the ♠A, so when you go into Blackwood the response will be clearer.

Hi Barmar,

North is somebody who started
playing bridge, she is 12 years old.

In other words, a cue bidding seq.,
to discover that the grand is on,
even if partner holds only one Ace,
is not relevant for this person, until
1-2 years in the future.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[barmar]

P_Marlowe, on Jun 1 2006, 10:33 AM, said:

In other words, a cue bidding seq.,
to discover that the grand is on,
even if partner holds only one Ace,
is not relevant for this person, until
1-2 years in the future.

Good point. But I think it's still an appropriate time to teach her NOT to use Blackwood with a void. A hand like this provides a perfect example of why it's important to know WHICH ace partner has, not just how many.

With this hand, if partner has only the ♠A, you might not even be able to make 6♦. You still have a loser in ♥ and ♣, and you might not have a quick entry to dummy to discard one of them on the ace.

Of course, most would bid the slam anyway, since there's a 50/50 chance it's the right ace, plus the possibility that responder has the ♥K or that the opponents don't find the right opening lead (if they lead ♠ you get to discard immediately). But it's much more comfortable to be able to bid a slam confidently, rather than just praying that nice things will happen.