[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     1♥    Dbl
 RDbl  2♣    2♥    3♣
 3♠    Pass  3NT   Pass
 6♥    Pass  Pass  Pass
 


Ok here goes, no prizes for guessing what seat I am in

1/. xx what do you think of that

opps x so I was not inclined to bid my spades

not sure what to bid so I bid 3 spades??? dumb or ok?

6 hearts was it a totally mad or bad bid or do you think justified in any way


please tell me hwo you bid it after opps first x

TYTYTYTY

[mikeh]

I am a firm believer in not redoubling with shape: ignore the double unless you have a strong interest in defending a low-level doubled contract: clearly you have less than zero interest in defending 2♣ doubled... btw, S's raise to 3♣ is sick, but that is another story.

Strangely enough, your auction was not bad at all, after the initial redouble, and may have worked out better than had you bid 1♠. Hmmm, maybe there is a lesson here?

As for what happened next, partner's 2♥ bid should and did show a weak hand with 6+ ♥: a good hand should either double with defence or pass and await your next call... sitting for your double if balanced and bidding on if shapely or too much to settle for defence.

Then your 3♠ bid is forcing and 6♥ is a reasonable shot.

Note that it would perhaps have been more effective, on a different layout, to have bid keycard over 3♣.. agreeing ♥. Then you could bid 5N (assuming your keycard was via 4N) to assure partner of possession of all the keycards and inviting grand if partner has extra tricks... such as KQJxxxx of ♥... whether he should or would raise 5N to 7♥ with xx KQJxxx Qx AJx is interesting: I think he should since, on the auction, he can place you with the ability to ruff at least 1♣ (you cannot have less than a stiff or Kx to have bid keycard) and he has 'extras' in the context of his 2♥ bid.

As it is, using keycard should keep you out of grand, which is a good thing in theory, but not in practice

[luke warm]

maybe mike is right re: the xx, but i like your bidding... i agree with him about south's 3♣ bid, that makes absolutely no sense... 6♥ was a good bid imo

[barmar]

Not only was South's 3♣ bid ridiculous, his takeout double was pretty poor to begin with. With a poor 10 HCP (including the useless J in opener's suit), you want at most a singleton in opener's suit, and all your values outside.

I understand what you're saying about not bidding your spades because you expect length in doubler's hand. On the other hand, the quality of your spades is excellent. If partner does have support, you can expect your finesses to be working. Since you have a two-suiter, and slam is a possibility in either of them, I think you should immediately start bidding your suits.

The main thing to be worred about while bidding this hand is that there are likely to be bad breaks during the play. You know that South is doubling on minimum values, so if he's not superaggressive like this guy he should be 4144 or 40(54). However, knowing where all the defensive values are is often worth a trick to the declarer.

[Echognome]

I would also start with 1♠. You do have the requirements for a XX (9+ hcp, penalty double of 2/3 suits other than ♥s), but the hand has so much potential that you will find it hard to want to double at a low level. However, on a good day, partner is 1525 or 2524 and they go for a telephone number.

[P_Marlowe]

sceptic, on May 25 2006, 05:52 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

- - 1♥ Dbl
RDbl 2♣ 2♥ 3♣
3♠ Pass 3NT Pass
6♥ Pass Pass Pass



Ok here goes, no prizes for guessing what seat I am in

1/. xx what do you think of that

opps x so I was not inclined to bid my spades

not sure what to bid so I bid 3 spades??? dumb or ok?

6 hearts was it a totally mad or bad bid or do you think justified in any way


please tell me hwo you bid it after opps first x

TYTYTYTY

Hi,

XX is ok, depends a bid on your agreement, it
should deny primary support although, I would
probably bid my 5 card suit.

Your partner should either pass or make a penalty
double, 2H does not show a 6 card suit, it simply
denies interest going after their blood.

3C is asking, to get the axt, sry, ... the takeout dbl
is supp. standard, opponents are clearly in a forcing
pass situation, and we did escape, sometimes partner
will a have 4-3-3-3 shape or 4-4-3-2, if you bid 1S on
xxx.
3S shows, that in retrospect, 1S would have been better,
since you could now introduce diamond
... but things could have turned out different.

Pass would also be an option, but partner already denied
a holding with which he would have make a penalty dbl.

I dont like 6H, but I am a chicken, when it comes to slam
bidding, it is unclear, what 4D would show: cue for spade,
implying, that the spade suit is a strong 6 card suit or natural.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdeegan]

A wise old saying is 'never kick a winner in the a**', and you did get to a good spot. Even so, there are several bids that are less than optimal IMO.
1) The original T.O. dbl is way too light for my taste.
2) I hate a redouble with a two suited hand. You risk getting preempted out of a critical information exchange when the opponents find a big fit.
3) South's 3♣ bid is even worse than his original double

On this hand nothing much matters. East shows a six bagger in hearts and West bids 6♥. This happened with the actual sequence, and it would happen at my table where West bids 1♠, East bids 2♥, West bids 3♦, East bids 3NT, and West bids 6♥.