[Walddk]

I could have had xxxx, xxx, xxx, xxx. I don't; I even have a great hand in context, and pass would never cross my mind. It's a clear 4♠, and I am not worried that it won't make.

Partner's bidding tells me that I can make 3♠ if I have a Yarborough and 4333.

Roland

[Fluffy]

mike777, on Dec 8 2005, 06:20 PM, said:

Fluffy:
What hand does x and then 2 spades show?

16+ 4+♠

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What hand does x and then cuebid show?

16+ normally no 4 card support

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What hand does x and then cuebid and then 2s show?

minimum hand without even support (3 cards)

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What hand does x and then cuebid and then 3s show?

More than a direct raise to 2♠, so 20-21 with 4♠.


Just to note: when I can make game opposite Qxxx on a suit bid, I don't make non forcing bids, I bid game.

[Fluffy]

inquiry, on Dec 8 2005, 06:23 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Dec 8 2005, 01:14 PM, said:

Do not feel under forcing, sure we have a nice 4th ♠, but that's all. Going against everyone here, but I would pass.

What do you respond to 1♦ X when holding...

♠xxx ♥xx ♦xxxxx ♣xxx

Just curios. Don't you bid 1♠? A nice 4th spade isn't just a normal holding, it is considerably better than you could have.

As I said, 4th ♠ is an extra, just not good enough.

[Winstonm]

inquiry, on Dec 8 2005, 01:23 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Dec 8 2005, 01:14 PM, said:

Do not feel under forcing, sure we have a nice 4th ♠, but that's all. Going against everyone here, but I would pass.

What do you respond to 1♦ X when holding...

♠xxx ♥xx ♦xxxxx ♣xxx

Just curios. Don't you bid 1♠? A nice 4th spade isn't just a normal holding, it is considerably better than you could have.

But this raises an interesting question. I use the 2♦ cue-bid as a general force, that doesn't promise support. But if you paly 2♦ as 100% sure spade fit, which bid over 2♦ double do you play as weaker, pass (as occurred here) or 2♠ bid? If 2♦ forced to 2♠, then pass should (at least imho) show the better hand. Within such a context, this hand is not "better" than promised.

I have a "pet" trick here. I bid 2C. This is the bid least likely to get partner excited about his hand. The times 2C gets doubled, I can run to 2S and at least partner has a clue as to what I have.

Winston

[Winstonm]

This is good stuff. So tell me, did partner then slightly overbid his hand?

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[mikeh]

For me this would be an absolute minimum for the sequence and I would probably have contented myself with 2♠ after the cuebid... and this hand would be, for me, an absolute maximum for that sequence. Bear in mind that I would play the cue followed by 3♠ as not forcing, but I would need the worst 1♠ bid imaginable to pass on that sequence (xxxx xxx xxx xxx). I have a good hand in context: better trump than promised, short ♥ and the potentially useful ♣J. This is good enough that I would raise 2♠ to 3 and would obviously raise 3 to game: so I expect to reach game no matter what

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Dec 9 2005, 12:56 AM, said:

This is good stuff.  So tell me, did partner then slightly overbid his hand?

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> ????? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> Unknown </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> AK432 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AQ94 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> 3 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> KQ3 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

oh ya partner cannot have this little.

This bidding must show exactly 24.31415926 total points no matter how irrational many may think this number is.

[P_Marlowe]

Winstonm, on Dec 9 2005, 12:56 AM, said:

This is good stuff.  So tell me, did partner then slightly overbid his hand?

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ AK432 ♥ AQ94 ♦ 3 ♣ KQ3

Hi,

why not bid 3S over 2C.

3S shows this hand, you need next to
nothing to make 4S, and 3S tells this.
If you believe, that the hand is stronger
bid 4S or 4D, assuming that 4D is a
splinter agreeing spades.

The cue bidding is just pointless noise.

You need magic cards, to make the
slam playable and no wastage in diamonds.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[HeartA]

inquiry, on Dec 8 2005, 11:14 AM, said:

Go and not be surprised if I make an overtrick. I have soooo much more than I promsied.. .why I might not even have 4♠ on this auction, much less four GOOD ones...

agree with ben.