[cherdano]

Scoring: MP

North East South West
  1♦    P    2♦    X
  3♦    3♥    P    4♠
  X     P    ?

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Ok, this is a table where everyone is a reasonable player, but South had an emergency during the hand, and you agreed to sub him.(*) You find yourself having agreed to play SAYC with no inverted minors, and having raised your partner to 2♦.

What is your bid now?

Arend

(*)Yes, lies, damn lies. Hope it keeps the furry of "Why am I not playing inverted minors?" and "Why did I not bid 1♥?" posts away.

[luke warm]

i'm sure someone will tell me why this is easier than it appears, but i'm bidding 5♦ ... i think west has 21+, partner might (*might*) have 4 spades, but their 4♠ might still be cold... i think east has 6, 7 points

[Gerben42]

Partner knows I do not have much, and I do have a positive suprise that opponents won't have much use for Hearts. I pass.

[Fluffy]

I find it pretty close, but my ♥ honnors seem to do better on defence than on offence, hence I'll pass and hope for the best.

[inquiry]

The real problem here is what to lead, not what to bid.

[pclayton]

inquiry, on Nov 30 2005, 09:53 AM, said:

The real problem here is what to lead, not what to bid.

Pard's problem of course.

And I'll bet he has a good idea since he cracked it.

[beatrix45]

Pass
I don't like our prospects, but pulling is insane. Maybe if I had six diamonds and four hearts to the QJ.

[luke warm]

beatrix45, on Nov 30 2005, 01:14 PM, said:

Pass
I don't like our prospects, but pulling is insane. Maybe if I had six diamonds and four hearts to the QJ.

well i think "insane" is a little strong... i'm not crazy i'm just a little unwell

[Kalvan14]

Pass, without any doubt. All the inferences about declarer's hand are pretty clear to pard too, and my (unusual ) 2♦ bid was not forward going, was it?

[mikeh]

I pass.

If I pull, and am wrong, my decision will be destructive to partnership confidence.

I admit that I would never bid this way (2♦), but I accept the conditions of contest.

If I pass and I am wrong, then I will apologize for misbidding earlier. Pulling now is trying to correct an earlier misbid: my advice, should you decide part way through an auction that you dislike an earlier choice, is stick with it. The worst thing, in my experience, is to try to correct it.

[joker_gib]

Pass too but I really don't like 2♦

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I dont mind 2D, but having bid 2D,
I now bid 5D.

I am not sure partner, that partner
has to expect 5-5 with no defence.

Marlowe

[pclayton]

Only 13:10 to pass vs. pull? I think passing is clear.

[Al_U_Card]

P_Marlowe, on Dec 2 2005, 05:07 AM, said:

I dont mind 2D, but having bid 2D,
I now bid 5D.

I am not sure partner, that partner
has to expect 5-5 with no defence.

Exactly, your fault or not, you lied about your hand and pard has taken action based on that lie (and it is a pretty egregious one at that) so ya gotta pull and say sorry when it backfires (at least you don't have to blame your "other" personality....

[cherdano]

The full story, even though it isn't that interesting:
This was played in a local duplicate, West had AQJxxxx x Q AT87, and North had Tx AKx AKTxxx Q6. Of course, North made a slow double of 4♠. Yes I agree on the merits of the double (and making a slow double is about the worst thing you can do here). No need to discuss the decision of the rather inexperienced TD.

However, this was (showing all four hands and describing the UI) reported on the German bridge mailing list, and almost a majority would have allowed the pull to 5♦, considering the pass irrational ("passing is absurd for any intermediate+ or better"). For me it looked like a tough decision but clear pass, and suspected that a UI-free poll would lead to the same result.

It's curious that the voting now is 13:11 (12:7 before I posted the link to this thread on that mailing list...), while among the posts here there is a huge majority for pass.

Arend

[HeartA]

Why did South NOT respond 1♥ in the first place? Now I have to pull to 5♦ assuming someone else bid 2♦ for me.

[Fluffy]

cherdano, on Dec 3 2005, 02:27 AM, said:

The full story, even though it isn't that interesting:
This was played in a local duplicate, West had AQJxxxx x Q AT87, and North had Tx AKx AKTxxx Q6. Of course, North made a slow double of 4♠. Yes I agree on the merits of the double (and making a slow double is about the worst thing you can do here). No need to discuss the decision of the rather inexperienced TD.

However, this was (showing all four hands and describing the UI) reported on the German bridge mailing list, and almost a majority would have allowed the pull to 5♦, considering the pass irrational ("passing is absurd for any intermediate+ or better"). For me it looked like a tough decision but clear pass, and suspected that a UI-free poll would lead to the same result.

It's curious that the voting now is 13:11 (12:7 before I posted the link to this thread on that mailing list...), while among the posts here there is a huge majority for pass.

Arend

Always the same, knowing the UI, and the full hand biases your decisions. It is kinda hard (impossible IMO) to avoid using information you have when the decision you are gonan make is more intuitive (we could say analogic thinking) than rational or logic (we could say digital thinking), even if you aren't being scored here. I find myself doing it frequently, I shouldn't expect others not to do so.

[han]

I think pass is clear, my vote just made it 14-11.

[Chamaco]

I think that whatever the choice, it is not so clear in this specific circumstance, because IMO there was an initial distorting bid: the 2D bid was A LOT underweight, so pard's double is assuming more defense than I promised.

Correct me if you disagree, but I think that in standard, 1m:2m should NOT be a preemptive hand, and have more defense than this hand, so pard is doubling assuming we can contribute something.

In the given hand, I do not think that the heart suit is enough to justify the pass here.

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However I agree that, *in general*, this double should be passed, but oinly if the responder really has his 2D bid.