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Posted 2005-August-18, 22:52

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You are fighting it out for a strong finish in the Tulsa Regional Flight A Swiss when you and partner stumble your way with an inelegant auction to 6S. Now, all you have to do is make 12 tricks. LHO leads the 4 of hearts.


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Posted 2005-August-18, 23:14

Winstonm, on Aug 18 2005, 11:52 PM, said:

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You are fighting it out for a strong finish in the Tulsa Regional Flight A Swiss when you and partner stumble your way with an inelegant auction to 6S. Now, all you have to do is make 12 tricks. LHO leads the 4 of hearts.


Is this how you win a Flight A swiss, bid crappy, and play the heck out of the hands? :)

Just asking but on both of these hands I would be in 3nt. :)
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Posted 2005-August-18, 23:56

mike777, on Aug 19 2005, 12:14 AM, said:

Winstonm, on Aug 18 2005, 11:52 PM, said:

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You are fighting it out for a strong finish in the Tulsa Regional Flight A Swiss when you and partner stumble your way with an inelegant auction to 6S.  Now, all you have to do is make 12 tricks.  LHO leads the 4 of hearts.


Is this how you win a Flight A swiss, bid crappy, and play the heck out of the hands? :)

Just asking but on both of these hands I would be in 3nt. :)

Nah....you have to bid better than this....this only gets your the runner-up spot. :)
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Posted 2005-August-19, 01:48

If I play a club to dummy and take a finessse, then I am badly placed if it looses and RHO plays a . So I try a spade to the jack at trick two. If RHO wins, then I try to drop a doubleton Q or take a finesse. If LHO wins and returns a , then I must decide if I take a finesse or a finesse.
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Posted 2005-August-19, 04:02

I wonder where MisIry gets you on these hands...

This is one of those hands where you have different kinds of lines. I'd just hope for the finesse to be on and give away the Q... I can't risk both finesses since opps might continue and destroy my entry for the s. So small to J...
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Posted 2005-August-19, 07:44

Small to the Jack wins. When you lead a second spade from dummy, RHO shows out. Now what?
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Posted 2005-August-19, 08:10

Need to endplay west, to do so requires 8 tricks outside spades. So rise with the A and quess what west hand is most likely:

Qxxxx=xxxx=xx=xx : A, Q, A, K, 3
Qxxxx=xxx=xx=xxx : A, Q, A, K, 2, ruff
Qxxxx=xxxx=x=xxx : A, A, 3, K, ruff
Qxxxx=xxx=x=Qxxx : A, J, 2, A, K, ruff

I like to play either option 1 or 2 depending on heart carding of opps. If I can't draw any conlusions from the heart play, then I choose option 2.
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Posted 2005-August-19, 12:20

I don't think I'm playing small to the J. If I diamond comes back, I'm badly placed. I much prefer club to the Ace, and a diamond to the Q. I assume this wins.

Catching up with the thread, I then play a spade to the Jack and a spade up. RHO shows out apparently.

Uh, hate to ask, but we need to know LHO's heart spot lead.

If LHO is 5=3=2=3, we need to cash exactly 2 more hearts, diamond to hand, club AK and ruff (don't need to hook the club). Now, elegantly exit a diamond. LHO has the joy of ruffing her partner's trick and being endplayed.

If LHO is 5=3=3=2, I don't think I can make it.

If LHO is 5=4=2=2, we need to cash our minor suit winners and exit a low trump.

If LHO is 5=4=1=3, cash the hearts, 2 clubs, ruff club and exit diamond.

5=4=3=1 (I'm regretting not ruffing the 3rd diamond in dummy, nice non-double, buddy :) ), I don't think we can make it either.
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Posted 2005-August-19, 12:26

Opening lead was the 2. Standard leads, 4th best is the response to your inquiry.
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Posted 2005-August-19, 12:30

Winstonm, on Aug 19 2005, 10:26 AM, said:

Opening lead was the 2. Standard leads, 4th best is the response to your inquiry.

Then I will trust RHO's card as true count when I led a club to the board at T2 and will disregard righty's.
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Posted 2005-August-19, 12:52

pclayton, on Aug 19 2005, 01:20 PM, said:

I don't think I'm playing small to the J. If I diamond comes back, I'm badly placed. I much prefer club to the Ace, and a diamond to the Q. I assume this wins.

Catching up with the thread, I then play a spade to the Jack and a spade up. RHO shows out apparently.

Uh, hate to ask, but we need to know LHO's heart spot lead.

If LHO is 5=3=2=3, we need to cash exactly 2 more hearts, diamond to hand, club AK and ruff (don't need to hook the club). Now, elegantly exit a diamond. LHO has the joy of ruffing her partner's trick and being endplayed.

If LHO is 5=3=3=2, I don't think I can make it.

If LHO is 5=4=2=2, we need to cash our minor suit winners and exit a low trump.

If LHO is 5=4=1=3, cash the hearts, 2 clubs, ruff club and exit diamond.

5=4=3=1 (I'm regretting not ruffing the 3rd diamond in dummy, nice non-double, buddy  :angry: ), I don't think we can make it either.

I think you are right. Diamond finesse early on makes the play easier.

LHO turned out to be 5422, so it was necessary to cash 4 hearts; however, as you pointed out, if he had been 5323 he would have been forced to ruff a losing diamond and be enplayed to boot.

In retrospect, I like this better because really demoralizes the opponents.

In real life, I guessed to play 4 rounds of hearts, my reasoning being that the minors were more likely to be unbalanced and LHO had to hold xx in diamonds, hence more likely I thought to hold also 2 clubs rather than 3.
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