[cencio]

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[P_Marlowe]

Dealer?

In general I would assume, that E/W discover their spade fit and compete at least to 3S,
I am not sure, that N/S want to play 4C, it seems to make, but 4C is no man's land.

[cencio]

P_Marlowe, on 2026-August-18, 09:38, said:

Dealer?

In general I would assume, that E/W discover their spade fit and compete at least to 3S,
I am not sure, that N/S want to play 4C, it seems to make, but 4C is no man's land.

North bid first 1 club

[Cyberyeti]

P_Marlowe, on 2026-August-18, 09:38, said:

Dealer?

In general I would assume, that E/W discover their spade fit and compete at least to 3S,
I am not sure, that N/S want to play 4C, it seems to make, but 4C is no man's land.

If you have a bit more shape info about the hand, you can make 5♣ I think.

[mike777]

cencio, on 2026-August-18, 13:16, said:

North bid first 1 club

Sure it is possible, why not?

[pescetom]

cencio, on 2026-August-18, 13:16, said:

North bid first 1 club

So it depends upon your agreements and style whether South uncontested would bid 1♦ or 1♥ and then how North rebids and how you handle XYN...
Was North dealer (put it in the diagram, please) or did South and/or West pass first?
Did East bid his hearts?
With decent agreements you should not miss at least game in clubs or 5♠X.

If North is dealer and East is unusually aggressive then with Italian control-bidding it might go:
1♣ (1♥) - 3NT
4♣ - 4♦
4♥ - 4♠
and then whatever your agreements you reach 6♣, for better or worse.

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2026-August-18, 14:58, said:

Sure it is possible, why not?

Possible but not likely.
North opens 1♣
Many E/W's will pass with those hands.
South bids 1 RED suit
North bid 1nt
South bids 2 or 3nt

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2026-August-18, 18:04, said:

Possible but not likely.
North opens 1♣
Many E/W's will pass with those hands.
South bids 1 RED suit
North bid 1nt
South bids 2 or 3nt

EW are NV who is passing?
If they are, that is a whole other discussion..to have with EW

[mw64ahw]

Uncontested my Transfer Walsh approach will find the 9-card club fit, but I'd struggle to get to 5♣ let alone the 6♣ available and may end up stopping in 3N
As East I have 2-suited overcalls available so with East's hand I would intervene at this vulnerability with 2♥ as 45xx.
South then bids 2♠ (minor suit takeout), West competes to 3♠. North now has the choice of 3N/x♣.
If competition continues to 4♠ then I'd perhaps expect a doubled contract rather than 5/6♣.

Overall I'd expect a spread of outcomes in play.

[Cyberyeti]

mw64ahw, on 2026-August-19, 00:04, said:

Uncontested my Transfer Walsh approach will find the 9-card club fit, but I'd struggle to get to 5♣ let alone the 6♣ available and may end up stopping in 3N
As East I have 2-suited overcalls available so with East's hand I would intervene at this vulnerability with 2♥ as 45xx.
South then bids 2♠ (minor suit takeout), West competes to 3♠. North now has the choice of 3N/x♣.
If competition continues to 4♠ then I'd perhaps expect a doubled contract rather than 5/6♣.

Overall I'd expect a spread of outcomes in play.

6♣ is a desperately poor contract, you need very specific heart layouts for it to have much play.

Where we would end up would depend if E intervened over our weak NT, but unopposed the bad news is we'd be in 3N, the good news is that it would likely be on a heart lead.

If we were EW, if N opened 1♣ we would overcall 2♥. If it was 3+ cards, this would be natural and weak, if it was 2+ would be 44/45/54 majors.

[Kaitlyn S]

jillybean, on 2026-August-18, 18:04, said:

Possible but not likely.
North opens 1♣
Many E/W's will pass with those hands.
South bids 1 RED suit
North bid 1nt
South bids 2 or 3nt

If the North-South style is to bid four card spade suits over 1C P 1H then I don't think South's invitation should be in notrump. North's 1NT bid denies 4S (in those partnerships) and denies 4H so the club bid has to be at least 4 cards. When you make an invitation, you should be happy in your contract if partner passes. I'm a lot happier in 3C than in 2NT and 3C is correct on values.
Those players who bid 1NT with 4-3-3-3 (with 4S) can't jump to 3C. However, many can do some sort of checkback and if partner denies 4 spades, they can now invite with 3C.
Inviting with 3C also helps sometimes when partner accepts. Say partner has xxx, AK, Axx, Kxxxx. 3NT is automatic after 1C-1H-1NT-2NT, but if partner bids 3C instead, North should bid 3D and even if you don't reach the club game, you'll probably get a decent score for playing in clubs. However, if partner bids 3D which likely shows spade weakness, I think you can bid the club game. So, yes, against silent opponents, I think you should reach clubs unless your system is unfortunate for this hand.