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Would 4S bid be running/distributional?

#1 User is offline   straube 

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Posted 2025-December-06, 14:53

All vulnerable.

After 1H P 4H I'm up. My hand is J9xxx void Qxx AKxxx

First question is whether I pass.

I doubled. It continued Pass Pass redouble.

Would 4S show something like this? Better perhaps if we disagree with my first pass? Seems like it should but Idk.
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Posted 2025-December-08, 23:35

Did you pass in 1st seat? I do not understand the X
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2025-December-09, 02:06

Hi,

#1 most would pass with your hand, but going in, ... why not.
Live by the sword, die by the sword, the risk is lower playing IMPs.

#2 I guess, 4S now would show something like your hand, ..., 4Sx ill be
cheaper than 4Hxx, if it makes.
Having decided to go in, I doubt it, would not rule it out,
I would stick it out now.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2025-December-09, 09:36

I would not double here.
But if I do and it comes around to me redoubled by RHO, I am not worth 4S and 5C is a shot in the dark, I pass and let partner decide. He already passed double, despite imagining better honoured spades than I have: he knows about my void and that minors may be 5-3 or 4-4. Maybe he has great hearts and can set the contract, maybe he can scrape up 4S or 4NT or 5C/D, maybe he doesn't want a beer.
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Posted 2025-December-10, 07:24

For me 4♠ directly is wide ranging, and X-then-4♠ is two places to play, one of them being spades. Bidding 4♠ over 4♥ is frequently a good move (famously for it to be a big stinker both 4♥ and 4♠ have to fail, unless you're going down a ton in 4♠X), so I don't attach significant strength requirements to these actions - the example hand is not near the weakest hand I might join the auction with. Especially with heart shortage we know that we have to act, partner won't be doing anything (particularly after that pass over 1♥).

I think X-then-4♠ is a fine description of the hand but may be only 4 spades, an immediate 4♠ might be better.
Now that we've doubled the auction developed in a very strange way - partner converted our takeout double that can be very light! While this is possible, I think it's more likely a wheel has come off. And then RHO rescued us(?) by redoubling! I don't know what partner is thinking, but if RHO has their redouble then something has gone terribly wrong. Bid a strain and hope to survive, the board is lost but maybe the partnership can survive and even use this as a lesson.
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