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Another interesting one from the club

#21 User is offline   WasWinM 

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Posted Yesterday, 14:01

I would start 2C. 3 small hearts and the J9 of clubs offers a decent chance for game.

After that who knows.
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Posted Yesterday, 14:02

 P_Marlowe, on 2025-August-26, 13:52, said:

4H

At one point in time, you need to tell p, that you have a min for your bidding.
As it is you are also denying a club control, which you dont have.

If slam is on, p needs to have Qx in hearts and a club control, he will move on,
if he happens to look at those.

I agree. 4H at this point is automatic.
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Posted Yesterday, 14:43

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-August-26, 11:59, said:

Depends, what was 2 ?

2 "positive" Ace or King minimum
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Posted Yesterday, 14:49

View Postsmerriman, on 2025-August-26, 13:05, said:

How can 4 be a cue bid when you haven't even agreed a trump suit yet? 3 is just preference, surely, so 4 sounds natural to me.

Right <_< that's not how the auction went but I do think that since we are in a gf sequence, 3 agrees trump and anything further is a cue. What would I have, some 1553 hand? Partner has already had a chance to raise diamonds.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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Posted Yesterday, 14:56

View Postjillybean, on 2025-August-26, 09:11, said:

It looks like 1 was a popular choice for the opening bid, I chose 2



If you start a cue bid sequence, partner will of course show a spade control. 4:4
Have I dug myself a big enough hole?


3h should be stronger than 4h, over 3h I can cue 3s....
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Posted Yesterday, 15:04

View Postjillybean, on 2025-August-26, 11:04, said:

forum bug still, lets have a collection so we can get a decent server?
There is a delete button for multi posts


The problem is not so much the server(s) but the hosting (IBM?), also the specific server bug we all identified (two years ago?).

I use the delete button when I can, which means when I can reach a PC (as now) and avoid the forum bug.

There is a lot BBO could do to improve the situation.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:07

View Postpescetom, on 2025-August-26, 15:04, said:

The problem is not so much the server(s) but the hosting (IBM?), also the specific server bug we all identified (two years ago?).

I use the delete button when I can, which means when I can reach a PC (as now) and avoid the forum bug.

There is a lot BBO could do to improve the situation.


If anything it seems getting on is even more of a hassle, the forums freezing
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Posted Yesterday, 15:07

View Postjillybean, on 2025-August-26, 14:49, said:

Right <_< that's not how the auction went but I do think that since we are in a gf sequence, 3 agrees trump and anything further is a cue. What would I have, some 1553 hand? Partner has already had a chance to raise diamonds.

Yes, how else would you bid a super strong 5-5 in the reds, if you're not opening 1? And if partner has, say, 2 hearts and 3 diamonds, what do they bid over 3 (are you wanting them to raise with 3, when you might have 4 like here)?

I would have opened 1 anyway, but if stronger..
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Posted Yesterday, 19:20

View Postmike777, on 2025-August-26, 14:56, said:

3h should be stronger than 4h, over 3h I can cue 3s....

I don't cue shortage in partners 1st suit
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Posted Yesterday, 19:55

 jillybean, on 2025-August-26, 19:20, said:

I don't cue shortage in partners 1st suit


You need partner to cue clubs below game, if they can, hence cue spades
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Posted Yesterday, 21:48

 smerriman, on 2025-August-26, 15:07, said:

Yes, how else would you bid a super strong 5-5 in the reds, if you're not opening 1? And if partner has, say, 2 hearts and 3 diamonds, what do they bid over 3 (are you wanting them to raise with 3, when you might have 4 like here)?

I would have opened 1 anyway, but if stronger..

2 suited hands are difficult to bid after a 2C opening, we would open 2C and rebid 2nt or open 1M and disregard the 5 card minor
2C 2D 2M is a 6 bagger
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Posted Yesterday, 21:52

View Postmike777, on 2025-August-26, 19:55, said:

You need partner to cue clubs below game, if they can, hence cue spades

We can't have it both ways.
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Posted Yesterday, 22:09

View Postjillybean, on 2025-August-26, 21:52, said:

We can't have it both ways.


So have it one way, cue spades asking pard to cue clubs, one way smiley
You are Captain, so take charge

If we can bid an artificial 3nt to get pard to cue clubs great
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Posted Today, 00:29

View Postjillybean, on 2025-August-26, 21:48, said:

2 suited hands are difficult to bid after a 2C opening, we would open 2C and rebid 2nt or open 1M and disregard the 5 card minor
2C 2D 2M is a 6 bagger


Good, you showed the 6-4, and denied 3 cards in spade, and agreed on hearts being trump.
4H is still the bid.
Given that you dont cue shortage in p suit, the 4H bid will also deny any spade honor p
is missing.
The problem with 4D is, that there is not much room between 4D and 4H.
If p needs a diamond control to move, he should assume you have one, you did bid 3D.
If you dont have a spade top honor, and no club control, this would imply
QJx both in clubs and diamond and nothing in spade, what was your 2C bid based on?
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