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#1 User is offline   Cyberyeti 

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Posted 2025-May-29, 11:38

What do you think this means ?



I want to get opinions on what you think it means before I give the hand

Sorry edited, got the auction wrong, the heart hand WOULD be on lead
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Posted 2025-May-29, 12:08

Pass or correct :rolleyes: But for us X means a one suiter or a / two suiter...

I'm afraid that won't help you. But I'm clueless about bidding after penalty doubles, I'd prefer some mild two suited invite with both suits defined.
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Posted 2025-May-29, 12:21

2 possibilities spring to my mind (I guess you play X as rather balanced hand?).

Invitational with 6+ H, probably a bit lower than an opening hand

Freakih but fearing opps compete (in S) if 2H only and probably does not want you to X a partscore from opps

The 1st looks more likely esp it undiscussed - but f/ups should be discussed anyway

What do you use 2NT for? Undiscussed as well?
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Posted 2025-May-29, 12:43

Invitational with 6+; partner advertised 15+ so typically something like 7-8 points. Something like AQJxxx and nothing else might be ideal.

The idea is that you might have trouble defeating 1ntX especially if partner doesn’t lead hearts, and you could easily have game your way. A bad hand with hearts can just bid 2 of course, and a hand with only five hearts and/or scattered values will do fine defending.
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Posted 2025-May-29, 12:55

View Postapollo1201, on 2025-May-29, 12:21, said:

2 possibilities spring to my mind (I guess you play X as rather balanced hand?).

Invitational with 6+ H, probably a bit lower than an opening hand

Freakih but fearing opps compete (in S) if 2H only and probably does not want you to X a partscore from opps

The 1st looks more likely esp it undiscussed - but f/ups should be discussed anyway

What do you use 2NT for? Undiscussed as well?


X says I think I can beat 1N or 15+ bal

Well lower than an opening hand, a 10 count will bid game or sit 1Nx.

Bear in mind AQJxxx and out can lead the Q and as long as partner has 2 or more, you should be OK, you are on lead
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Posted 2025-May-29, 13:08

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-May-29, 12:55, said:

X says I think I can beat 1N or 15+ bal

Well lower than an opening hand, a 10 count will bid game or sit 1Nx.

Bear in mind AQJxxx and out can lead the Q and as long as partner has 2 or more, you should be OK, you are on lead


I don't think the long H hand is on lead. smile.
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Posted 2025-May-29, 13:35

View Postmike777, on 2025-May-29, 13:08, said:

I don't think the long H hand is on lead. smile.


Sorry, got the auction wrong, 1N-P-P-X-P-3 will correct

The hearts ARE on lead
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Posted 2025-May-30, 11:05

#1 he wants a new p
#2 assuming this is real, ... the bid should be forcing, although I dont see, why one wants to play 3NT/4H instead of 1NTx given the vul.
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Posted 2025-May-30, 14:38

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2025-May-30, 11:05, said:

#1 he wants a new p
#2 assuming this is real, ... the bid should be forcing, although I dont see, why one wants to play 3NT/4H instead of 1NTx given the vul.


The implication to me was that the hearts were long but not that good, and he was worried about running them in 1Nx
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Posted 2025-May-30, 18:04

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-May-30, 14:38, said:

The implication to me was that the hearts were long but not that good, and he was worried about running them in 1Nx

absent specific agreement, the 3h bid should be natural and want to be in game opposite the `15+ balanced hand (the most common by far for the x). Kx xxxxxxx Kx xx. the 3h bid is sort of a safety play in case the xer does NOT have the 15+ bal type.
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Posted 2025-May-31, 00:08

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-May-30, 14:38, said:

The implication to me was that the hearts were long but not that good, and he was worried about running them in 1Nx

I can follow the implication about the suit quality, but 3H also needs to be forcing, he has 2H av.
2H is certainly not encouraging, but p can raise with a good heart fit and good values, whatever this may mean, sort of
a super accept hand.
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Posted 2025-May-31, 02:12

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2025-May-31, 00:08, said:

I can follow the implication about the suit quality, but 3H also needs to be forcing, he has 2H av.
2H is certainly not encouraging, but p can raise with a good heart fit and good values, whatever this may mean, sort of
a super accept hand.


What partner had was J9, KJ9xxxx, void, Jxxx

Reasonable ?
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Posted 2025-May-31, 04:06

View PostCyberyeti, on 2025-May-31, 02:12, said:

What partner had was J9, KJ9xxxx, void, Jxxx

Reasonable ?


Sure.

I am pretty sure, I would not have gotten it as p as well. But 4H may not be a terrible spot in the end.
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