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opener rebid same suit how to find 5-3 fit in another suit

#1 User is online   mikl_plkcc 

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Posted 2025-April-17, 06:21

What is the standard way to bid the following shape as the responder, in a 5-card major system, after the auction goes 1 - 1 - 2?

5=0=5=3 and 6-9 TP. How to find a possible fit?
5=1=4=3, 6-9 TP or 10-12 TP with the 3-card suit unstopped. How to find a possible fit, or to decide if NT is playable?
4=1=4=4 or 5=0=4=4, 6-9 TP. How to find a better fit?
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Posted 2025-April-17, 07:11

View Postmikl_plkcc, on 2025-April-17, 06:21, said:

What is the standard way to bid the following shape as the responder, in a 5-card major system, after the auction goes 1 - 1 - 2?


> 5=0=5=3 and 6-9 TP. How to find a possible fit?

You pass.
Best to get out as cheaply as possible.

Note: Some people will raise 1 to 2 holding, say, a 3=5=4=1 with Hxx in Spades
This decreases the likelihood that you have a spade fit somewhat.

> 5=1=4=3, 6-9 TP

You pass, even more happily

> 10-12 TP with the 3-card suit unstopped.
> w to find a possible fit, or to decide if NT is playable?

This is an awkward range.
If you have sufficient strength to force game you can bid checkback at the three level.

> 4=1=4=4 or 5=0=4=4, 6-9 TP. How to find a better fit?

Kick partner's left leg with the 4=1=4=4 and their right leg with the 5=0=4=4
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Posted 2025-April-17, 11:58

Hi,

the 2H rebid showed a 6 carder and basically denies a side 4 card suit, i.e. if any bid propels you to the 3 level, the contract needs to
play at least 2 tricks better than 2H.
In general, if you have no fit, you get out, no fit ... no bid. And a lack of fit is a reason to downgrade, you don't bid NT out of fear.
If you have 4441 you have a 7 card fit, you are happy playing on the 2 level, you wont be less happy to play the 43 on the 3 level.
If you have a 5 card spade suit, you may catch a 53, but the odds are 1:2 against this, and a 5-2 will play worse than a 6-1.
And yes, sometimes a 5-3 would have existed.
As it is, there are methods to show a possible 5th spade after a 1H opening at once, but they come with a price, as always.

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Posted 2025-April-17, 14:35

One possible method referred to above is KI5 where
1-1 F1 0-4 weak, 5+ GI/GF, 3 lim
&
1-1N is 5+ weak
2-3m 50(53) pass/correct
I've yet to identify a net cost to this approach.

Alternatively play
1-1 as 5+
&
1-1N
.. 2 6+, 4, 4+ str
.. 2 4, 4+ str
.. 2 54+
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