[Chas_P]

 kenberg, on 2021-September-27, 16:46, said:

I see it differently again.
Simply require that basically, a person can't do anything w/o being vaccinated. Maybe allow the frequent test dodge if needed for some legal purpose. Restaurant? Have to be vaccinated. Shopping? Have to be vaccinated.
Then who cares who gets the blame for having to legally force people to do something that anyone with any sense does willingly.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit."

Harry S. Truman

[kenberg]

 Chas_P, on 2021-September-27, 17:56, said:

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit."

Harry S. Truman

HST left office in 1953, I had just turned 14. Not an age when a kid is much following politics but I remember him in this and that. The dust-up with MacArthur of course. And his support of his daughter's singing career. I was 5 when Roosevelt died so the first three presidents I recall are Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy. A very good start.

And I recall seeing "I don't give them hell, I just tell the truth and they think it's hell". 1948, I think our tv was still pretty new.


Anyway, I now have my booster. I gave up on the place that gave me my first two and went to my local pharmacy, part of a chain. Apparently, the problems with having to keep Pfizer cold have been solved, many places can now do it. I now have a call in to my doc since he has me scheduled for a flu shot and a Moderna shot a week from Friday. Due to the "unexpectedly high volume of calls" they can't take my call right now and will get back to me. These unexpected high volumes of calls seem frequent enough to be expected. Maybe they could just say we will get around to you when we feel like it.
The Moderna was a backup plan, I wanted the Pfizer and now I have it.

[y66]

Asawin Suebsaeng, senior political reporter @TheDailyBeast said:

anti- COVID vaccine rhetoric is killing GOP voters. But for Trump, other prominent Republicans, and Fox and other conservative media, it's a cash cow: https://thedailybeas...en-vax-mandates

So… good for them, I guess!

[y66]

 kenberg, on 2021-September-28, 07:46, said:

I now have a call in to my doc since he has me scheduled for a flu shot and a Moderna shot a week from Friday. Due to the "unexpectedly high volume of calls" they can't take my call right now and will get back to me. These unexpected high volumes of calls seem frequent enough to be expected. Maybe they could just say we will get around to you when we feel like it.[/size]

My doctor is now charging patients "who can afford it" a $365/year fee to pay for staff to cover the phones and front office stuff. It was a bit of a surprise after patronizing his practice for 30+ years but it seems to be working.

[Winstonm]

 y66, on 2021-September-28, 11:43, said:

My doctor is now charging patients "who can afford it" a $365/year fee to pay for staff to cover the phones and front office stuff. It was a bit of a surprise after patronizing his practice for 30+ years but it seems to be working.

I used to have a doctor who did similar - only quite a bit more of a charge. This allowed him (and his brother, also a doc) to reduce their practices without reducing their standards of living. They were good - but not that good.

[y66]

 Winstonm, on 2021-September-28, 12:26, said:

I used to have a doctor who did similar - only quite a bit more of a charge. This allowed him (and his brother, also a doc) to reduce their practices without reducing their standards of living. They were good - but not that good.

I feel like my doctor is that good. My understanding is that charging this fee allows him and his colleagues to see more medicare patients than they otherwise would be able to which, believe it or not, is important to them.

[Winstonm]

 y66, on 2021-September-28, 14:25, said:

I feel like my doctor is that good. My understanding is that charging this fee allows him and his colleagues to see more medicare patients than they otherwise would be able to which, believe it or not, is important to them.

I think it is fine. It is much like a co-pay that applies to everyone. The amount that is charged is the key question to me.

[pilowsky]

Perhaps the grifting email requests now have a pre-ticked checkbox that states "In the event of my death I bequeath etc".
This could explain a lot.

[Chas_P]

 kenberg, on 2021-September-28, 07:46, said:

I wanted the Pfizer and now I have it.

I'm glad. Live long and prosper.

[barmar]

Libertarianism isn't anarchy. They still have the understanding that one individual's rights are limited to the extent that they impact someone else's life. You don't have the right to steal.

[barmar]

 mycroft, on 2021-September-24, 21:29, said:

Now, in non-US countries, seatbelts reduce health care costs - which are paid for by socialised medicine. So in fact it does affect "everybody". But that's a more minor argument.

Even in the US, it reduces health care costs. Practically no one pays for their own medical bills, we all buy insurance. And insurance premiums are based on total health care costs. Also, more injuries means that hospitals need more beds, medical personnel, etc. to treat them. This increases total healthcare costs in society.

All the same things can be said about COVID-19. How many times during the pandemic have we heard news reports about hospitals having to turn away some patients because the ICU is full? Hospitals in Idaho are full and sending their overflow to Washington (guess which state has mask mandates).

We live in a highly connected world, very little that you do does not affect other people.

[hrothgar]

 barmar, on 2021-September-29, 11:06, said:

Libertarianism isn't anarchy. They still have the understanding that one individual's rights are limited to the extent that they impact someone else's life. You don't have the right to steal.

Hence, the widespread opposition to vaccination amongst modern day Libertarians...

[crazy4hoop]

Not sure about widespread. I think many Libertarians are pro vaccine but anti vaccine mandate - they think it's the right thing to do but should not be coerced into doing so by the government.

[Winstonm]

 crazy4hoop, on 2021-September-30, 09:08, said:

Not sure about widespread. I think many Libertarians are pro vaccine but anti vaccine mandate - they think it's the right thing to do but should not be coerced into doing so by the government.

So who should do the coercing of the Libertarians who refuse the vaccine?

[y66]

Allen West

Quote

From his hospital bed, he issued a string of tweets attacking vaccine mandates and promoting controversial treatments, vowing that if elected, he would “vehemently crush anyone forcing vaccine mandates” in Texas.

“Our bodies are our last sanctuary of liberty and freedom, I will defend that for everyone,” he wrote.

West also said that he and his wife, Angela, who is vaccinated, had received treatment with monoclonal antibodies — a move that a number of people argued on social media was at odds with his remarks against vaccines that he said were “enriching the pockets of Big Pharma.”

Monoclonal antibodies are proteins created in the laboratory to mimic the human immune system. The Biden administration announced last month that it had reached an agreement to buy another 1.4 million doses of the only authorized antibodies from the pharmaceutical company Regeneron for $2.9 billion, or $2,100 per dose. The most expensive coronavirus vaccines are about $20 a shot.

What an asshole.

[Winstonm]

 y66, on 2021-October-11, 15:02, said:

Allen West


What an asshole.

It’s simple to get a bunch of teenagers to follow your lead - just tell them they are right.

[pilowsky]

 Winstonm, on 2021-October-11, 17:01, said:

It's simple to get a bunch of teenagers to follow your lead - just tell them they are right.

Not just teenagers - read 90%+ of this Forum.
How often do you read posts that say, "Oh yes, I was completely wrong about that, and you were right - how could I be so foolish - what was I thinking..."
Just for the record, it is widely accepted that in science where one would expect a little bit of rigour most stuff that is published turns out to be wrong.


This is why religion is so appealing - it doesn't need to be 'right'; you just have to believe it for it to be true.
For 'it', insert words to the effect of things that are of benefit to me personally.

[Gilithin]

 pilowsky, on 2021-October-11, 19:26, said:

Just for the record, it is widely accepted that in science where one would expect a little bit of rigour most stuff that is published turns out to be wrong.

Here's a little clip that explains the concept in a much better and more entertaining way than either of us would.

[pilowsky]

 Gilithin, on 2021-October-11, 20:25, said:

Here's a little clip that explains the concept in a much better and more entertaining way than either of us would.

This proves my point unequivocally. Without a shadow of a doubt and on the balance of probabilities beyond reasonable argument. OWTTE.

[Winstonm]

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A Canadian flat-earther has been found dead two weeks after he said on a livestream that although he was sick with classic COVID symptoms, he could not possibly have the virus because he didn’t believe it’s real. “CONVID doesn’t exist,” Mak Parhar told his followers, according to Global News. In a followup video, Parhar said he was taking ivermectin, the anti-parasite drug that experts say doesn’t prevent or treat the coronavirus and could be dangerous.