[inquiry]

In this forum, Luis showed a nightmare hand AJTxx, Q9, Void, QT9xxx, and a variety of bids were made by users, from pass, to 4S, to 5d, to 5C.

But interestingly, the bidders seem to have different view of what the various bids mean. So this question is to see how you play a new suit on this auction.

Ben

[hrothgar]

Not sure what the standard treatment is.
To some extent, this might depend on the level of the players involved.

I would expect to see a significant split between

(a) Cue bid in support of partners suit
( Natural, non-forcing seeking to improve the contract.
[I think that this treatment is wrong, however, I also think that its popular]

I think that the fit showing non-jump treatment is playable, however, this is far from standard. Has anyone done any kind of computer simulations to try to determine whether the fit non-jump hand type is more frequent than the cue bid in support of partner's suit?

[luis]

I guess that 4n 5c and 5d can be used to show hands with support for hearts, either fit non jump or cuebids looking for controls. But I have several doubts about 4s, if the opponents open 4d and your pd has 6 hearts do you lose the chance to play 4 spades?
If pd has a singleton or void in hearts and 6/7 spades why can't he bid 4s to play? 4s, 6s or 7s can easily be the best denomination for your side.

[Free]

Hmmm, at this moment I think I play it natural, but it's forcing. It's never whise to react pre-emptively to a pre-empt. 4H isn't the standard pre-empt though, but I treat it like one. And indeed, in this auction 5C, 5D is fit showing and cuebid, 4NT I consider as RKC, 5H invite (depends on strength in H).

4S = natural and forcing

[luis]

I think you have missread the topic Free.
4h is NOT a preempt, they opened 4d and your pd overcalls 4h so it's not a preempt since it's not usual to preempt over preempts.

[flytoox]

This is really tough one. But I think slam chance may not be that high. The problem is that though you are void in Diamond, you have only two trumps, and one of them is HQ. I think 80% time I will pass 4H.

[inquiry]

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This is really tough one. But I think slam chance may not be that high. The problem is that though you are void in Diamond, you have only two trumps, and one of them is HQ. I think 80% time I will pass 4H.

thanks fly... but this poll isn't asking what the right bid is (in fact, I wouldn't bid 4S or pass on the shown hand). I showed the hand to remind people where the idea for this thread arose. Ignore what you hold (or change it however you like). The question at hand is... if you were to bid 4S over 4H, what would you show.....

Ben

[the hog]

We play it as natural non forcing. A fit non jump is useful, but I wonder what I would do with a stiff or weak xx H and an excellent 7 card S suit?

[mishovnbg]

You cant have agreement for any bids, so only way to know what your p want to talk you is to have general agreement. My general principle is: if you bid or rebid suit with jump at 3 level or without jump at 4 or more level - you establish this suit for final contract. So any new suit is cue bid for slam. Only one exception - rebid of first cue bid is natural and NF, if suit is established by above way. Example for same exception:
(4DI)-4HE-(p)-4SP
(p) -5CL-(p)-5SP: To play
Misho