Freakish hand
#21
Posted 2005-June-01, 16:39
I don't think I've ever bid a direct 5H over one of a minor but I have over 1S. There is no guarantee the opponents have a spade fit. Wouldn't you feel a bit stupid if pard had 6 or 7 spades of his own and enough soft cards in the minors that limits the hand to 4H and you could have bought it for that?
I do intend to take a 5H call over anything.
I don't know how to get pards help in a slam investigation here although perhaps a sensible approach would be to make a jump cue in diamonds and pull to 4H to perhaps this shows a solid suit and a slammish hand that wants to hear a cue bid.
#22
Posted 2005-June-01, 16:45
Echognome, on Jun 1 2005, 04:29 PM, said:
arghh you're right.. helps to pay attention to the bidding
but i still think if you pass you might get burnt anytime they find a fit or partner bids
#23 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-June-01, 16:46
BTW don't most experts play 1D-3D as natural?
#24
Posted 2005-June-01, 18:27
In real life, I believe there are two "correct" options: 1) pass and listen to the bidding for a while, and 2) bid 5 hearts right now. Both are extreme actions, but this is an extreme hand.
WinstonM
#25
Posted 2005-June-01, 20:24
Passing is silly, you will get them to exchange information and know what to do better, if you directly bid 4 or 6 hearts they have to guess whats going on inmediately.
As some of you said, who knows, anything can be right but I think 5♥ is a road to nowhere.
#26
Posted 2005-June-01, 21:39
#27
Posted 2005-June-02, 03:40
♠ AKT9xxx
♥ --
♦ --
♣ AQJxxx
♠ --
♥ AKQ98xxxx
♦ JT97
♣ --
At table South tried a gambling 3NT overcall, after which there was no stopping North blasting to 6♠. Final contract was 7♥ X, which was on the verge to make, given the lead was.. a spade!!! 1 down.
The lesson of the hand is simple and recurrent. I've seen a couple of hands like this: a long suit and lenght in opponent's suit. What usually happens is pard has a monster 2-suiter in the unbid suits and can't keep quiet.
The trick with hands like this is how to convince pard to stop below the 5 or 6-level. Pass is not good because pard is definitely going to overcall some suit we can't support. A shot at 5 or 6♥ does keep pard quiet, but is probably too high because neither we nor opps can make a thing. A 4♥ overcall might do the trick, but if pard 'tries' for something we're in trouble. That leaves a simple 2 or 3♥ overcall, rebidding hearts at all occasions. Perhaps pard can understand this. Maybe it goes
(1♦)
2♥ 2♠ (enthousiastic)
3♥ 4♣ (still confident)
4♥ ...? (what is he talking about?? Oh well, I pass)
Just made
#28 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-June-02, 07:44
#29
Posted 2005-June-02, 07:50
By the way, pass might work out after all. As long as you are disciplined and continue to pass when partner bids each of your voids. Not saying it's best, but on the hand given could work.
#30 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-June-02, 08:05
#31
Posted 2005-June-02, 08:09
#32
Posted 2005-June-02, 08:31
Jlall, on Jun 2 2005, 01:44 PM, said:
Was dealt at table.
From what I could tell, it was a legitimate shuffle.
#33
Posted 2005-June-02, 08:34
#34
Posted 2005-June-02, 08:40
(P) - 5♦ - (P) - ?
Isn't this obviously a long heart suit and nothing else?
#35
Posted 2005-June-02, 09:00
Blofeld, on Jun 2 2005, 09:34 AM, said:
Certainly. On freak hands, everyone will have something to say (show). The key is to describe your hand as accurately as possible. Despite the actual hand (result) pard will know that you have solid H and at least 2 quick losers in D. (Therefore, no support for any suit he might (have) offer(ed).) I'm sure that a good pard, given accurate information about your hand, will be able to make an informed and correct decision.
#36
Posted 2005-June-02, 09:08
1♠ 4♦ = "A freak. guess my suit(s)"
#37 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-June-02, 09:08
whereagles, on Jun 2 2005, 09:31 AM, said:
Jlall, on Jun 2 2005, 01:44 PM, said:
Was dealt at table.
From what I could tell, it was a legitimate shuffle.
lol wow I believe it since probability wise one of these hands WILL get dealt, but still amazing.
BTW I agree that describing your hand to partner is good, but with 9-4 it is impossible to describe accurately. This is not the type of hand for science.
#39
Posted 2005-June-02, 09:38
HeartA, on Jun 2 2005, 10:33 AM, said:
I believe that to "master-mind" means to act unilaterally (excluding pard from the bidding). 4 H (right or wrong) certainly qualifies and I would think better describes a hand like 1-8-2-2 etc. so pard will have a TOTAL description of your (lack of)values.
#40
Posted 2005-June-02, 10:26

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