[nige1]

Rubber bridge, both vul, your call?

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[apollo1201]

4S - with a determined look😉

Question is if Xed, should we run to 5D or not.

Edit: hadn’t seen the hidden sentence below the chart... RHO could have anything from AK 8th to AKQ 6th and some heavy side goodies, so our chances of going for a phone number have increased, and even if it is just 500, we need to win the next deal...so pass hoping partner will do something (but unlikely)

[kuhchung]

Not unanimous!

[hrothgar]

This is a rough one, however, ultimately I think that your options boil down to pass or 4!S.

Last that I played rubber bridge, a double would be for penalty so that seems like a poor choice.
(If I were confident that this was takeout double seems a lot more reasonable)

So it pretty much boils down to either 4!S or Pass.

Looks as if there's 20+ HCP divided between LHO and partner.
My Spade suit is sufficiently weak that even if partner has a bunch of points, we could go for a number.

So mark me down for a reluctant pass.

[nige1]

hrothgar, on 2019-February-12, 16:42, said:

Last that I played rubber bridge, a double would be for penalty so that seems like a poor choice.(If I were confident that this was takeout double seems a lot more reasonable) So it pretty much boils down to either 4!S or Pass.

I'm told that this rubber-bridge school play double of 4♥ to show "Cards", with at least tolerance for ♠s.

[gszes]

I feel like a turkey with neck on the chopping block. If rho has a normal 4h bid the opps are heavy favorites to make 4h and get that nasty 500 point rubber bonus. Bidding involves some risk but not as much as it would at MP or IMPS. the 500 bonus for winning the rubber is a big enough bonus that p will have to have almost everything that's left in the deck to risk our winning the rubber. This means that we will rarely get too much higher. If we decide to bid what do we do? x looks right and maybe it is a worthwhile venture because the opps should not take too many overtricks if p leaves it in. So for me it is X or one can take the big chicken theory bwakkkk and pass. Essentially saying its not worth the risk of umpty ump penalty points to save this rubber (this is my personal favorite bwakkkkk). Pass also means p might still be able to pipe up and we will be happy wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee once again. 4s is just too darn scary and my wallet is nowhere near full enough to cover the disasters from such an adventuresome bid.

[kuhchung]

So what was the result?

[BillPatch]

Double promises about 5 more HCPs, and only 3+ spades. Risks a double vulnerable game swing + 170 for double. Assuming competent opponents, I would expect an opening bid with more finesse if they had this strength and less than a 7+ ♥ suit. I would risk the 4♠ overcall.

[nige1]

kuhchung, on 2019-March-11, 11:06, said:

So what was the result?

This was given to me as a problem. I thought 4♠ was automatic I see I was wrong
I don't know the exact hands but FWIW: The player, who held this hand, doubled.
Partner had reasonable values with ♠ support and bid 4♠ which was doubled and defeated
4♥ would also have been defeated.

[gordontd]

nige1, on 2019-March-12, 17:53, said:

This was given to me as a problem. I thought 4♠ was automatic I see I was wrong
I don't know the exact hands but FWIW: The player, who held this hand, doubled.
Partner had reasonable values with ♠ support and bid 4♠ which was doubled and defeated
4♥ would also have been defeated.

I wonder how much weight was given in the votes to the fact that it was rubber bridge. I would bid 4S at MPs and possibly IMPs, but the risk of going for a large number at rubber bridge seems too great.

[kuhchung]

well 75% of the voters bid 4S (me included) so i guess you get some field protection. we'll all lose the same amount of money as you.

and it sounds like doubling worked out just as poorly, so nothing matters.