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Notrump Opener doubles Pass/Correct Bid What does it mean?

Poll: Notrump Opener doubles Pass/Correct Bid (13 member(s) have cast votes)

What does opener's double mean?

  1. Shows the suit they just bid (but may not hold) (1 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Takeout of the suit they just bid (but may not hold) (11 votes [84.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 84.62%

  3. It's not the same for all five examples given below... (1 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  4. Something Else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2018-November-02, 02:45

I'm interested in how people play a 1NT opener's double after a pass-correct bid by RHO. Here are some examples:

1NT - (2♣ any one suit) - Pass - (2♦ pass/correct) - Dbl?
1NT - (2♦ either major) - Pass - (2♥ pass/correct) - Dbl?
1NT - (X one minor or both majors) - Pass - (2♣ pass/correct) - Dbl?
1NT - (X one minor and one major) - Pass - (2♣ pass/correct for five-card suit) - Dbl?
1NT - (2♦ hearts or the blacks) - Pass - (2♥ pass/correct) - Dbl?

Do people normally play this as takeout of the bid suit, showing the bid suit, or something else?
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Posted 2018-November-02, 04:14

Logic dictates that there's no point in warning the opponents that they have found the wrong fit: a penalty double at this level is ludicrous. And in the interests of not confusing partner too much, given that there are so many defences to 1NT, I personally would have the Dbl as takeout of the suit bid, a maximum NT opener with a doubleton in the bid suit. Trying to second guess what the overcaller might have here after the pass/correct bid by his partner is awkward. I'd keep it simple for my partner: takeout on all examples, obviously keeping an eye on the vulnerability too. You might have a maximum NT hand, but the opponents may have the majority of the points given that partner has passed. The last thing you want is a 500/800 penalty to your side when the opponents have only a part score available.

p.s. I might add that I don't play professionally any more, so other players might have specific defences to 1NT defences, but whenever I did play Dbl of a bid suit, whether it was natural or a pass/correct scenario (as in the Multi) was always takeout.
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Posted 2018-November-02, 05:39

I vote for showing the suit bid, because it seems logical that it should be lead directing. When opponents remove the double to their real suit, a further double by opener is now takeout. If the "pass or correct" bid is followed by two passes, nothing is stopping responder from a reopening takeout double.
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Posted 2018-November-02, 11:42

We play that 1NT - (2♦ either major) - Pass - (2♥ pass/correct) - Dbl? is takeout of Hearts, knowing that Dbl of (2♦) by partner would have been takeout of Spades (and he elected not to).

The others show the suit bid, but I'm open to being convinced to change.
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