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(2♥)-x-(6♥)-pass?
I suppose it should be forcing if they bid 5♥ although that could occasionally be exploited. After 4♥ it obviously isn't forcing. What about 7?
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Mundane forcing pass issue
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Posted 2016-May-24, 02:41
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Posted 2016-May-24, 03:29
helene_t, on 2016-May-24, 02:41, said:
(2♥)-x-(6♥)-pass?
I suppose it should be forcing if they bid 5♥ although that could occasionally be exploited. After 4♥ it obviously isn't forcing. What about 7?
I suppose it should be forcing if they bid 5♥ although that could occasionally be exploited. After 4♥ it obviously isn't forcing. What about 7?
Personally, I wouldn't expect partner to treat pass as forcing over a raise to 3♥, 4♥, 5♥, 6♥ or 7♥. I'm sure it would be nice on occasion to know that pass was forcing, though....
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Posted 2016-May-24, 03:46
helene_t, on 2016-May-24, 02:41, said:
(2♥)-x-(6♥)-pass?
I suppose it should be forcing if they bid 5♥ although that could occasionally be exploited. After 4♥ it obviously isn't forcing. What about 7?
I suppose it should be forcing if they bid 5♥ although that could occasionally be exploited. After 4♥ it obviously isn't forcing. What about 7?
- bids a new suit at the two level or
- bids 2N (Jacoby) or
- opponents interfere and partner cue-bids their suit.
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Posted 2016-May-24, 13:30
Not forcing.
Pass of 4H and higher would be forcing only if RHO wereally a passed hand.
Pass of 4H and higher would be forcing only if RHO wereally a passed hand.
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Posted 2016-May-25, 12:07
Pass means Pass.Where is the question of a forcing pass? .If one has nothing ,one does pass ,No? Or is one supposed to dbl with a Yarbrough ?
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Posted 2016-May-25, 13:57
msjennifer, on 2016-May-25, 12:07, said:
Pass means Pass.Where is the question of a forcing pass? .If one has nothing ,one does pass ,No? Or is one supposed to dbl with a Yarbrough ?
Yes, if pass were forcing that's exactly what partner does with a weak hand - even stronger than a yarb.
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Posted 2016-May-28, 09:50
Phil, on 2016-May-24, 13:30, said:
Not forcing.
Pass of 4H and higher would be forcing only if RHO wereally a passed hand.
Pass of 4H and higher would be forcing only if RHO wereally a passed hand.
I do not get this. Pass being forcing here or when pd coming from pass sounds very off to me.
If 4-5-6 ♥ bidder is coming from pass, so am I.
Why on earth would anyone want to force partner over 4 or 5 or 6 ♥? Do I have to double with 3433 etc and 0-5 hcp? Maybe 1♥ opener has a giant. Just because responder is making a weak bid does not mean they are broke. Are you sure on your suggestion Phil?
And how can I possibly want this pass to be forcing when I am having hard time to construct a hand that wants to forcing pass but could not find a bid over 4♥?
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Posted 2016-May-28, 10:16
Pass might be forcing red vs. white.
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Posted 2016-June-09, 03:21
MrAce, on 2016-May-28, 09:50, said:
Maybe 1♥ opener has a giant.
Not that it invalidates your post but it would be unusual if the 2♥ opener really had a giant.
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Posted 2016-June-09, 06:35
Zelandakh, on 2016-June-09, 03:21, said:
Not that it invalidates your post but it would be unusual if the 2♥ opener really had a giant.
You are right, for some reason I thought opener opened 1♥ when I made that reply. My bad.
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Posted 2016-June-09, 09:39
I play a forcing pass if the initial double showed 25+ points. 
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