MP scoring (does that make a difference?). What do you do now?
Pass or pull?
#1
Posted 2016-February-02, 09:21
MP scoring (does that make a difference?). What do you do now?
#2
Posted 2016-February-02, 09:52
In addition if a 4th suit bid is available here, its non use makes a heart fit unlikely.
-gwnn
#3
Posted 2016-February-02, 13:20
#4
Posted 2016-February-02, 16:18
Unlike the previous posters, I think it is quite possible for partner to hold 3 hearts. However, even if he does hold 3 hearts, it's far from clear that we want to make that suit as trumps. As long as the club suit runs, the best use for those hearts will be as losers to discard on pointed suits.
#5
Posted 2016-February-02, 16:19
jallerton, on 2016-February-02, 16:18, said:
Unlike the previous posters, I think it is quite possible for partner to hold 3 hearts. However, even if he does hold 3 hearts, it's far from clear that we want to make that suit as trumps. As long as the club suit runs, the best use for those hearts will be as losers to discard on pointed suits.
clearly you're a far better player than me, but i can't really see what hand partner can have where he has 3 hearts yet is prepared to leap all the way to 3n despite having a ton of forcing bids available?
#6
Posted 2016-February-02, 16:57
eagles123, on 2016-February-02, 16:19, said:
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KQ10
AQxxx
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3N is not pretty on a club lead, 4♥ a lot easier although in practice they will lead a spade against 3N.
#7
Posted 2016-February-02, 20:38
Partner has made a unilateral decision and the onus is on him/her. Partner doesn't have much information about opener's hand except that it holds at least 3 ♣ and 4 ♥. The opening hand could be anything from the hand held to a very flat 3-4-3-3 hand.
But opener knows even less about responder's hand. So any action that opener takes is a complete shot in the dark.
So it becomes a partnership trust situation. Opener should trust that responder had a good reason for taking control and setting the final contract.
If 3 NT doesn't work out and responder wants to suggest that opener should have taken some action, then there'll be a discussion about why responder jumped to 3 NT in the first place. That's a better discussion to have than trying to justify taking an action over 3 NT when 3 NT is the last makeable contract.
#8
Posted 2016-February-02, 23:21
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#9
Posted 2016-February-03, 05:15
#10
Posted 2016-February-03, 05:25
No matter the result is good or bad, you would better have to accept it.
#11
Posted 2016-February-03, 05:33
lycier, on 2016-February-03, 05:25, said:
No matter the result is good or bad, you would better have to accept it.
But partner has not made a final decision. You have not described you hand very accurately (1♥ is 11-18 points, you could have very long clubs). So partner does not have enough information to make a decision.
Partner has shown a balanced 12-15 or such and now you know enough to be able to make the final decision by passing 3NT.
#12
Posted 2016-February-03, 06:24
Cyberyeti, on 2016-February-02, 16:57, said:
KQ10
AQxxx
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3N is not pretty on a club lead, 4♥ a lot easier although in practice they will lead a spade against 3N.
I think its lazy to just bid 3n on this hand - if we fsf and partner denies 5 hearts then we can just bid 3n anyway, and what if pard is like 1435 or something and we have a diamond slam
#13
Posted 2016-February-03, 07:58
rmnka447, on 2016-February-02, 20:38, said:
This is very much a matter of agreement. The majority of players I know rebid NT with 3 clubs so that the 1♥ rebid shows real clubs and an unbalanced hand. Up-the-line is certainly possible (the OP did not mention it either way) but it is wrong to assume that and my guess would be that Jinksy plays it the other way.
Note also that, as Helene points out, partner has not made a unilateral decision but rather a descriptive bid. They have very good spades, no interest in a heart fit and have shown their strength fairly precisely. Certainly it is expected that 3NT will be the most common contract at this point but 3NT is absolutely not a sign off. With a different hand Opener would bid on, just not with this one.
#14
Posted 2016-February-03, 08:48
helene_t, on 2016-February-03, 05:33, said:
Partner has shown a balanced 12-15 or such and now you know enough to be able to make the final decision by passing 3NT.
As a my partner's partner, I would do what my partner feels good, and above all, I would listen to my partner's heart. 3NT gives expression to the partner aspirations for final contract.
3NT says " partner, I would hold mini hand or even invitational hand, I think 3nt could be a best playable contract,only. Please don't be easy to change the partner's final decision especially while you would hold 11-13hcp without extra values. This is a partnering law. Please never give more information to the opponents.and let opps guess, good luck to us."
Isn't this the partner aspirations?