Questions on "Size Ask Bid"
#1
Posted 2015-December-14, 20:02
I have never read the related "Size Ask Bid" from the books in the past, I am very lucky to play against an American BBO star player over one thousand in the recent years in the MBC,I learned a lot of knowledge,including "Size Ask Bid".I also know many of American BBO star players like it.
1NT - 2♠* , 2♠* is a size ask bid,I only know there are two of the basic meanings :
1- Ask opener size,2nt=15hcp,3♣=16-17hcp.
2- Or responder have a minor bust.
If you would add any content,I would appriciate.
However I have several questions on it,for example : hold a single minor suited with invitational values.
♠:xx
♥:Jxx
♦:XX
♣:AQxxxx
If play size ask bid,it goes:
1nt- 2♠*
2nt- 3♣ sign off
After opener push the hand,actually opener hold :
♠:Kxxx
♥:A109
♦:AJ10
♣:Kxx
Unfortunately it would lose 3nt game.
If it goes:
1nt- 2♠*
3♣*- 3nt
After opener push the hand,actually opener hold :
♠:KQxx
♥:A109
♦:AKxx
♣:xx
Unfortunately it is a tough work and often difficult to make 3nt.
I think the blame is "size ask bid" can't do this job,2nt or 3♣ never show a specific minor fit.No fit,no game in the invitational sequence.
On the contrary,if play 1nt-3m to show a single minor suited with invitational values,the result would become more better for sure.
Playing "size ask bid" means it would lose invitational sequence on minor single suited,its price is too big, I don't understand the principle. If you can give me any suggestion on it,I would appriciate.
Best Wishes
Lycier
#2
Posted 2015-December-15, 01:00
"Range ask" is how I have seen it named more than "size ask" but the difference in minimal.
I does cost the ability to make an invitation based on opener's fit with a long club suit. It gains by eliminating the need for a fake stayman query as part of a balanced game try.
#3
Posted 2015-December-15, 02:45
#4
Posted 2015-December-15, 04:28
1NT - 2♠; 2NT (or 3♣)
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P = to play
3♣ = to play
3♦ = 6+ clubs, 0-1 diamonds
3♥ = 6+ clubs, 0-1 hearts
3♠ = 6+ clubs, 0-1 spades
3NT = to play over 2NT; slam try over 3♣
The way I do it is to bid the 2-suited hands through the transfer and to move the 1-suited hands elsewhere. In this case the rebids show a second suit, which I do with transfers:
1NT - 2♠; 2NT (or 3♣)
=============
P = to play
3♣ = to play
3♦ = 5+ clubs, 4 hearts
3♥ = 5+ clubs, 4 spades
3♠ = 5+ clubs, 5+ diamonds
3NT = to play over 2NT; slam try over 3♣
There are obviously other possibilities here too. The key as always is to match the hand types being shown here with the rest of the 1NT structure.
#5
Posted 2015-December-15, 04:51
Zelandakh, on 2015-December-15, 04:28, said:
Maybe it was popular in 1975, I've never seen anyone play it though.
-- Bertrand Russell
#6
Posted 2015-December-15, 04:59
mgoetze, on 2015-December-15, 04:51, said:
Some pairs in Lancaster played Baron combined with range ask.
Anyway, you can't use 2♠ for an inivitational balanced hand AND for an invitational hand with clubs at the same time. If you want to be able to show both then you need two different bids, for example
2♠=clubs, any strength. Opener bids 2NT if he accepts an invite (after which responder can still sign off in 3♣), and 3♣ if he rejects an invite.
2NT=invitational.
3♣=diamonds, weak or strong
3♦=diamonds, invitational
#7
Posted 2015-December-15, 08:32
As a first approximation, it would be:
15: reject
16: check clubs/tricks
17: accept
edit: Zel, how is 3C-3NT a slam try is 2S can have a balanced 9-count?
This post has been edited by gwnn: 2015-December-15, 11:19
George Carlin
#8
Posted 2015-December-15, 15:07
lycier, on 2015-December-15, 02:45, said:
Well, they haven't thought this through, have they. Of course using 2♠ as a balanced invite frees up 2NT. Now just reverse them, and 2♠ can show a minor-suit invite; opener bids the lowest he would accept, 2NT neither, 3NT both. Or something, I don't know.
mgoetze, on 2015-December-15, 04:51, said:
2♠ raise to 2NT/Baron fairly popular here. There is also the 1-point range (eg 2♠ balanced with exactly 11 points). Probably pretty good in terms of frequency...
#9
Posted 2015-December-15, 16:22
gwnn, on 2015-December-15, 08:32, said:
Sorry, I had a very busy day today (I guess I shouldn't have been on BBF at all ) - naturally I meant it the other way round, to play over 3♣ and [it started out as] a slam try over 2NT.
#10
Posted 2015-December-15, 23:22
#11
Posted 2015-December-16, 02:45
2N-puppet stayman
3C-transfer
3D-splinter
3H-splinter
3S-splinter
which left me without a club splinter as well as a way to show clubs.
So...
2S-size ask
.....2N/3C
..........P/3C-to play clubs
..........3D-club splinter
..........3M-various with clubs
The size ask doesn't have to have anything to do with clubs. You can use it as any relay bid for responder to show various hand patterns, etc though obviously it's nice to show
things that benefit from the size ask information.