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vulnerable ten high what? you think I meant HCP?

Poll: vulnerable ten high (45 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (5 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  2. 2H (1 votes [2.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.22%

  3. 3H (28 votes [62.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.22%

  4. 4H (10 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  5. some psyche (1 votes [2.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.22%

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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2015-March-26, 16:37



All vul at MPs, weak field.
I had a bit of a disagreement with partner over what the right call here is. What's your call?
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Posted 2015-March-26, 17:03

I will try pass.

Expect most posters to bid something here to preempt/block/confuse opp.

If weak field I will out defend rather than try and steal or be destructive.
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Posted 2015-March-26, 17:31

4H feels like too much and 2H feels like wrong and pass feels like wrong so I'll do something something
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Posted 2015-March-26, 18:32

I'm bidding 4H.

In a sufficiently weak field, that's not optimal; you'd rather let the opponents play whatever contract and outplay the rest of the field.

However, in that weak a field, I'm not playing to win.
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Posted 2015-March-26, 19:12

4♥
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Posted 2015-March-26, 20:11

 manudude03, on 2015-March-26, 16:37, said:

All vul at MPs, weak field.
I had a bit of a disagreement with partner over what the right call here is. What's your call?
IMO 4♥ = 10, 3♥ = 9, 2♦ = 8, Pass = 7.
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Posted 2015-March-26, 21:28

I don't find the argument for 4h convincing.

Not surprised to find posters do not pass.
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Posted 2015-March-26, 21:48

Given that I have 4 spades I would just bid 3H
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Posted 2015-March-27, 01:35

sorry, let me qualify my previous post. i would bid 3H in a weak field, a strong field, a left field, a center field...
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Posted 2015-March-27, 02:41

ya got it...just not sure what your logic is but ok....

I assume you say 3h wins much more often than pass, much more often

I expected these posts I expected that 3h AND 4H WOULD win poll and it does.
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Again if your point is pass is losing bridge ok...but I do not see posters saying that and making a logic for that.
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My one and only logic for pass is that pard will play me for less...for weakish.
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Posted 2015-March-29, 19:19

I bid 2♥ the extra trumps make up for the missing high cards and since I didn't bid 2♣ (which would show a good 2♥ raise) partner should not get excited.
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Posted 2015-March-29, 19:38

may we see the full deal please, interesting problem with many answers
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Posted 2015-March-29, 20:23

Unfortunately you had 3 opponents on this deal so it probably wouldn't help (though I guess in this case pass wins :P):



And yes, partner really did overcall on Qxxx and then bid to the 5-level... He said that I really have to pass there, and one of the opponents suggested I should be playing with the most aggressive player in the club, so thought I'd check my own sanity. Defense dropped a trick so it was -800. I don't think anyone bid the slam (something went wrong when uploading the scores so can't check).
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Posted 2015-March-29, 22:32

Weak game?!! You're not kidding! Any game with someone who can overcall 1♥ with your PD's hand and then sac 5♥ is an exceptionally weak game!

Your 3♥ bid is fine and it is enough vs weak opps. Your PD is criticizing you here? I'd run (not walk) but RUN from this PD!!
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Posted 2015-March-29, 23:03

Wow, how to punish partner, overcall on Qxxx and then Sac Vul????

Also what Slam? I lead club 9 and as long as North covers and returns one you get a trump trick as well don't you??
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Posted 2015-March-30, 05:51

 bigbenvic, on 2015-March-29, 23:03, said:

Also what Slam? I lead club 9 and as long as North covers and returns one you get a trump trick as well don't you??


Good point, though it can still be made double dummy (ruff high and then low spade to the 7 :P), down in practice though.
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Posted 2015-March-30, 21:16

This violates the rules of the game. Partner is always world class and makes the best bid or at the very least a very reasonable bid. :)

To put it another way, the rules are we make the crucial bid, our WC hero partner will respond.

In any case I stick with my pass but expect the majority to bid some number of hearts.
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Posted 2015-March-31, 05:06

3♥ from me, wouldn't really consider four, maybe if I had short spades. Partner doesn't really have anything that looks vaguely close to a 1♥ overcall, I'm not averse to the occasional 4-card overcall but Qxxx is just nuts. 5♥ is not from planet earth.

If your partner is criticising you on this hand it sounds like he has an attitude problem.
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Posted 2015-March-31, 05:46

2H, 3H or 4H according to partnership style seems fine. I'd choose 3H.

Your partner is the epitome of Centre Hand Opponents. 1H is terrible enough, but 5H?! Seriously?

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Posted 2015-March-31, 06:55

Given the overcall it is probably safe to say that 3♥ was taken as limit raise strength and not as preemptive. In that context it is less unreasonable to criticise 3♥, not that this excuses their own choices.
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