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4nt is....? Over partner's 4m natural preemptive

Poll: 4nt is....? (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Partner opens 4D natural preemptive, pass to you. You bid 4nt and:

  1. you mean it as natural to play, you are sure your partner will take it as that (3 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. you mean it as natural to play, you are not sure your partner will take it as that (2 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  3. you mean it as quantitative, you are sure your partner will take it as that (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. you mean it as quantitative, you are not sure your partner will take it as that (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. you mean it as normal key card, you are sure your partner will take it as that (5 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  6. you mean it as normal key card, you are not sure your partner will take it as that (2 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  7. you mean it as preempt key card, you are sure your partner will take it as that (1 votes [6.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  8. you mean it as preempt key card, you are not sure your partner will take it as that (2 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  9. you mean it as something else, you are sure your partner will know this other meaning (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. you mean it as something else, you are not sure your partner will know this other meaning (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Mbodell 

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Posted 2015-February-01, 02:08

Playing normal 2/1 with weak NT, 1430 keycard, 4♣ as preempt keycard over preempts (except over 3♣ where 4♦ is preempt keycard), and gambling 3nt. You play natural preempts and 2♦, 3♦, 4♦ are all available as natural preempts. Your partner all white at matchpoints opens 4♦, RHO passes. You have not discussed explicitly with partner what 4nt means in this sequence. You bid 4nt, and...
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Posted 2015-February-01, 04:55

Not sure where you're trying to get at, but I'm positive 99% of partners, even pick-up ones, would take that as RKCB.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 10:12

Most likely. What if they don't? Does 4NT become The Bid I Should Not Have Made?
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Posted 2015-February-01, 13:28

View Postblackshoe, on 2015-February-01, 10:12, said:

(...) What if they don't? Does 4NT become The Bid I Should Not Have Made?


Either that or "the russian roulette" :)
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Posted 2015-February-01, 14:01

The possibility of multiple votes would be nice, because how sure I am depends on the partner.

What is preempt keycard?
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Posted 2015-February-01, 15:22

View PostVampyr, on 2015-February-01, 14:01, said:

The possibility of multiple votes would be nice, because how sure I am depends on the partner.

What is preempt keycard?


Preempt keycard, at least as I learned it, is a form of keycard where the steps are 0 kc, 1 w/o the Q, 1 w/ the Q, 2 w/o the Q, 2 w/ the Q. The assumption being given you preempted you don't have many keycards, so the 1 w/ the Q and 1 w/o the Q can be pretty important to get all at once when figuring out game or slam.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 15:38

I think you can economize on those steps.. lol
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Posted 2015-February-01, 16:07

View PostMbodell, on 2015-February-01, 15:22, said:

Preempt keycard, at least as I learned it, is a form of keycard where the steps are 0 kc, 1 w/o the Q, 1 w/ the Q, 2 w/o the Q, 2 w/ the Q. The assumption being given you preempted you don't have many keycards, so the 1 w/ the Q and 1 w/o the Q can be pretty important to get all at once when figuring out game or slam.


Over preempt below the 4-level, what is 4NT?
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Posted 2015-February-01, 16:51

I voted on the basis of the agreement I have with all my partners.

If we haven't discussed the sequence, then of course I won't be confident how partner will take it.
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Posted 2015-February-01, 19:41

Play kickback in all partnerships. 4M must be natural. I think I've come around some sort of turbo variant here:

4N - even # of keys (5♣ accepts if 4].
5♣ - odd #.
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