[whereagles]

gnasher, on 2015-January-31, 10:44, said:

I wanted to bid 2NT showing a good raise, but you didn't offer me that option.

You can bid 2NT anyway. Most of the time there will be some residual support for overcaller's suit.

[keithhus]

whereagles, on 2015-January-30, 15:49, said:

No, because advancer is a passed hand.

If he were not, it would depend on your agreements. Some play that an advance in a new suit is NF is RHO acted, others play that any 2/2 change of suit is forcing, etc...

In fact, being a passed hand, there's a good case for 2♠ showing spades AND clubs (a fit-non-jump).

Thank you for taking trouble to respond.

[gnasher]

whereagles, on 2015-January-31, 10:59, said:

You can bid 2NT anyway. Most of the time there will be some residual support for overcaller's suit.

I can bid anything that's legal, but that doesn't make it a sensible action. I want to show a good hand for clubs, not a balanced hand with a heart stop.

[keithhus]

Phil, on 2015-January-30, 16:48, said:

1. Keithhus: I'm pretty sure that any call by a passed hand wouldn't be forcing.

2. MikeH: while partner can likely figure out our hand in a 3♣/3♠ sequence it's quite possible that two things can happen that are negative.

A. They pass out 3♣. This might be right but it could mean we missed our spade fit.

B. They bid 4♥. Jeez now what? We have to take a unilateral position. Pass or 4♠ could both be right.

While 3♠ might get us a little high on balance it will help partner make the proper bid/double/pass decision.

Phil, thank you for your response.

[karlson]

Certainly there is a downside of 3♠ in that if partner has to make the decision over 4♥, they may well get it wrong -- our ODR is much lower than expected, and our suit is Axxxx. But I think when we're making a fit jump into a major, partner should be aware of the fact that we may just be trying to get both suits in. And maybe with good red suits, partner will indeed try 3n.

[whereagles]

gnasher, on 2015-January-31, 11:18, said:

I can bid anything that's legal, but that doesn't make it a sensible action. I want to show a good hand for clubs, not a balanced hand with a heart stop.

Well, according to Robson/Segal

1x 2m pass 2NT

tends to show a decent degree of fit for m. That's what I meant. Naturally, the less the fit, the stronger the hand.

[cherdano]

So my instincts about 3♠ are just as lied out in Mike's post - how does it help partner judge if we bid the same way with Axxxx and KQJxx, really hate it with such an empty suit, etc.

But the more I think about it, the more I think Victor has it right: fit jumps into a major should just be an attempt to find a fit in the major.

At the table I bid 3♥, thinking that might allow us to get into 3N when it's right, to the right level in clubs, and still get to a 5-4 spade fit. Wasn't a success when partner thought bidding 3S would be an overbid with his hand, and therefore bid 4C. He held KJxx xx QT AQJxx.

One small comment: opponents were playing weak NT and four-card majors. That makes it quite unlikely that they have only an 8-card heart fit: our values tell us opener is unlikely to have a balanced hand, but responder doesn't know that and would routinely bid 2H not 3H on a 4-card suit.

[kuhchung]

cherdano, on 2015-February-04, 03:56, said:

He held KJxx xx QT AQJxx.

double!