[whereagles]

MP, national sim.

V vs NV

♠ Q103
♥ AQJ
♦ AJ5
♣ J943

You pard
1NT 2♣
2♦ 3♣
??

And now? 3x bids would show up-the-line stopper (but could be advance cue), 3NT misfit or bad hand in context, and 4♣ ye olde "great hand in context."

[the_clown]

3NT for me. Despite 4 card support.

4333 is bad, 15 HCP is bad, AQJ is bad, 3 Jacks are bad.

Ofcourse if partner has a stiff spade its probably better to play 5/6♣s. Still they havent lead a spade yet, and the stopper may be good enough for +630 anyway.

[Zelandakh]

If 3NT is specifically a misfit then the only systemic call is 3♦. If this is wrong then the system needs to be improved.

[Fluffy]

If partner has singleton diamond I wanna play 6♣ rather than 3NT. So I would try 3♥. If partner has singleton spade we will rather play 5♣ also.

[NickRW]

I don't get your thread title. You outline a system and your rebid under that system is clear as Zel says. So what is there to re-value?

I kinda agree with Fluffy - but you need to discuss changing the system rather than do it on the fly.

[whereagles]

Well, maybe "misfit" is too strong. Make that "misfit or bad hand in context". I changed that.

[whereagles]

Thx all. Hands:
♠ Q103
♥ AQJ
♦ AJ5
♣ J943

♠ A
♥ K942
♦ KQ8
♣ A10875

1NT 2♣
2♦ 3♣
??

Not sure what is best. 4♣ will get you to a slam, but is that the percentage bid long term? Wouldn't 3NT be better, or 3x?

[NickRW]

I don't know what you're complaining about. Unless I'm not thinking straight this morning I've been in worse slams than 6♣ and 3NT is not cast iron on a low spade lead (which is hardly going to be unlikely).

Edit... Um, so you're thinking 4C is the bid with your hand. I thought, per your system this was a 3D call. Which I admit puts off the choice somewhat, but at least you're going to commit to slam, if you do, with your eyes more open.

[Mbodell]

I think partner should make another move on over a 3nt call. 16 hcp, guaranteed fit in a minor, stiff spade A, and 6 controls, nearly everything working. Of course, might stay out of slam anyways with 1 KC + Q missing. 5♣ making 6, unlucky. I guess if you play 4♦ as key card for clubs you might get a 4nt response and play it there (then again a spade lead and unlucky layout might well hold NT to only 9 tricks).

[Jinksy]

I'm surprised no-one's asked what 3♣ meant. Is it a decent suit, or just 4-5? Or other?

[rmnka447]

I'm bidding 3 NT. If partner persists to 4 ♣, I'll raise to 5 ♣.

[mr1303]

I don't think that 3NT is correct, then surely if partner bids 4C then 4D is the least I can do. 5C doesn't help him/her at all.

FWIW if I had the 1435 hand and partner bid 3nt I'd pass.

[chasetb]

Assuming 15-17 HCP for 1NT, I bid 3NT. Any 4333 shape (even with 4-card support) is bad, only 4 controls is bad (the average expected controls for 15 HCP is 5.01, and obviously higher for 16 and 17 HCP), you are quacky with only a J♣, AND we have every side suit cleanly stopped. Considering there are many 12 HCP distributional hands where I would make a slam try over 1NT openeing, this is a clear min in context.

However, partner should make another slam try WITH 16 WORKING HCP AND 6 CONTROLS!

[Fluffy]

whereagles, on 2015-January-28, 05:52, said:

♠ A
♥ K942
♦ KQ8
♣ A10875

Not sure what is best. 4♣ will get you to a slam, but is that the percentage bid long term? Wouldn't 3NT be better, or 3x?

Chase said that with this hand anything you do now should work. I disagree, if you bid 3NT you might end up in 6NT, and passing 3NT wouldn't be out of the picture if it wasn't for the nice ♦KQx that guarantee a good minor fit as partner must have 5 diamonds or 3 clubs (maybe both).

I think bidding 3♥ is still pretty clear, and any form of raise will put declarer into slam directly.

[nige1]

whereagles, on 2015-January-28, 05:52, said:

Thx all. Hands:
♠ Q 10 3 ♥ A Q J ♦ A J 5 ♣ J 9 4 3
♠ A ♥ K 9 4 2 ♦ K Q 8 ♣ A 10 8 7 5
1NT 2♣
2♦ 3♣
??

whereagles, on 2015-January-23, 05:14, said:

And now? 3x bids would show up-the-line stopper (but could be advance cue), 3NT misfit or bad hand in context, and 4♣ ye olde "great hand in context."

IMO 3♥ = 10. 3♦ = 9. 3N = 8. 4♣ = 7. 3♠ = 5. Fluffy persuades us that 3♥ is best, in an attempt to stay out of 3N when responder has a pointy singleton. 4♣ is an overbid with a flat minimum, in spite of 4-card trump support and 2 aces. As chasteb says, whatever you bid, partner has an enormous hand and is worth at least one more effort.

[whereagles]

Jinksy, on 2015-January-30, 18:51, said:

I'm surprised no-one's asked what 3♣ meant. Is it a decent suit, or just 4-5? Or other?

It's standard: just a 4-5 and a game force. A priori there are no slam overtones from it (that comes later on, if relevant).

Thx all again. I found this discussion very nice.

[Jinksy]

What standard? Every bridge player I can think of either hasn't discussed the sequence in recent memory or has invented their own homebrew continuations to 1N.

Anyway, voting for 3N now.

[whereagles]

well... all textbooks I know of have defined something like "new suit after stayman = nat 5 cards GF".

[mr1303]

3C for me would have a strong interest in playing clubs, although not necessarily 6 of them.

[Jinksy]

We play it (over weak NT) as a sign-off, on the grounds that it lets you seek marginal major games more safely.