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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2015-January-05, 13:02

Sorry I don't have the exact hand, no hand records from our team games.

IMP, V vs. N

You hold a 3505 hand, 18 points, QJx in spades, I don't remember the rest of the hand.

RHO opens 1

Part1 Do you show a 2 suited hand or double?
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Posted 2015-January-05, 13:09

X seems clear
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Posted 2015-January-05, 13:13

View Postjillybean, on 2015-January-05, 13:02, said:

Sorry I don't have the exact hand, no hand records from our team games. IMP, V vs. N You hold a 3505 hand, 18 points, QJx in spades, I don't remember the rest of the hand. RHO opens 1
Part1 Do you show a 2 suited hand or double?
IMO
1 = 10. Intending to double later, given the chance.
2N = 9. Unusual: Round suits. Intending to double or bid later.
Double = 8. Prefer not to double at the 1-level with a void.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 13:54

View Postnige1, on 2015-January-05, 13:13, said:

IMO
1 Intending to double later, given the chance.


I've seen pairs pass an overcall like this with way too many cards but mine doesn't.

You are better placed if the opponents bid more diamonds and avoid partner bidding spades on 4-3 in the majors.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 17:02

Given that I am going to bid twice in any event, I like X followed by Hs.

I describe my shape and strength and keep the bidding low. The danger is, as pointed out above, that P makes a penalty pass.

I am not worried about P holding 4-3 in the MAJs and insisting on Ss. 1) It wont play too poorly. 2) He shouldn't insist when I introduce Hs . . . in fact his first hypothesis should be that I am 3-5-1-4 and 16/17 - 19 HCP. So tell me if this hand fits that.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 17:52

It does depend on the rest of the hand, but I lean towards 2N. As others have said, I intend to bid again, expect to win the hand, and now have a decent chance of describing every one of my cards.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 17:57

Depends on the hand. One cannot answer this question sensibly without seeing the full hand. eg QJx AKxxx void AKxxx is a clear 2 suited bid, NOT a X.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 18:00

View Postthe hog, on 2015-January-05, 17:57, said:

Depends on the hand. One cannot answer this question sensibly without seeing the full hand. eg QJx AKxxx void AKxxx is a clear 2 suited bid, NOT a X.


But an unorthodox 18-count.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 18:17

View Postthe hog, on 2015-January-05, 17:57, said:

Depends on the hand. One cannot answer this question sensibly without seeing the full hand. eg QJx AKxxx void AKxxx is a clear 2 suited bid, NOT a X.


If it makes a difference it was not AK.. AK..so it must have been QJx,AQJxx,V, AKJxx or similar.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 18:37

2N for me, still. I'm planning to win this auction.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 19:08

2 NT
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Posted 2015-January-05, 19:14

Ooops, you look down at the table and realize you have X'ed rather than bid 2 nt.

The auction has gone P 1 2 back to you.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 19:51

2NT for me also on the hand you posted. 2H now if I xed originally.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 20:12

View Postjillybean, on 2015-January-05, 19:14, said:

Ooops, you look down at the table and realize you have X'ed rather than bid 2 nt.

The auction has gone P 1 2 back to you.


As already stated, 2. I am now happy that I have described the general shape and strength of my hand . . . I guess the most uncomfortable bid is 2S and now I have to decide whether to raise, introduce Cs, PASS or something else. I guess I am passing 2S . . . but I don't trust my casual partners enough to vow that this is correct. I pull 2NT to 3C and expect partner to make another call if at all possible. Anything other than 2S over 2H should show at least some values (5+ HCP) so I am game at least to the point of inviting partner to speak again.
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