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Posted 2014-December-14, 03:28
This was played at IMPs with a pick-up partner; would it make a difference if it was MPs or if you were NV?
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Posted 2014-December-14, 03:38
I would have bid 4♠ over 3♥ (and I decided that before seeing the result, which just illustrates the point, really - random QJ with partner is enough.)
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Posted 2014-December-14, 04:20
mgoetze, on 2014-December-14, 03:38, said:
I would have bid 4♠ over 3♥ (and I decided that before seeing the result, which just illustrates the point, really - random QJ with partner is enough.)
Same for me (and opps are likely to make 4H if we cannot make 4S)
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Posted 2014-December-15, 05:03
"double" forcing for a round, I think this is the best bid
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Posted 2014-December-15, 05:42
I would bid 3♠. At these colors I can't be worse than this.
Imho bidding 4♠ is bad. You are likely to end up playing everything from hand and score as much spades as you can, and this is if pd has 1-2 spades or friendly split.
People raise majors to 3 level frequently with 9 card fit, this does not mean pd can not hold any wasted values. (if he has any values) I would end up with the same poor score you got. I can't blame pd for not raising to 4♠ of course.
Imho bidding 4♠ is bad. You are likely to end up playing everything from hand and score as much spades as you can, and this is if pd has 1-2 spades or friendly split.
People raise majors to 3 level frequently with 9 card fit, this does not mean pd can not hold any wasted values. (if he has any values) I would end up with the same poor score you got. I can't blame pd for not raising to 4♠ of course.
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Posted 2014-December-15, 08:56
4 ♠ any vulnerability or form of scoring. Partner will have no way of knowing that his minor suit queens are magic cards and that his weak trumps aren't a problem.
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Posted 2014-December-15, 09:32
Not having opened 4♠, namyats or 2♣, I find it inconsistent to bid 4♠ now, even though it feels like doing it.. LOL.
So I'll go with an "unlucky expert" 3♠ bid, ha!
So I'll go with an "unlucky expert" 3♠ bid, ha!
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Posted 2014-December-15, 10:36
In my experience 90% of BBO players bid too much and a confident 4♠ bid at your 2nd turn will get 5♥ out of them barring an unlikely spade stack. I've seen a LOT of 4♥ bids (then 5♥) by wests on complete dreck not to try the stampede which works more often than it deserves.
At imps and these colors it might look like cheap insurance to take on some hands for some pretty decent players as well.
At imps and these colors it might look like cheap insurance to take on some hands for some pretty decent players as well.
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Posted 2014-December-15, 11:31
3S. 4S seems nuts to me
edit: okay, lose 11.
edit: okay, lose 11.
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Posted 2014-December-16, 00:08
I think an immediate 4♠ rebid is standout, particularly at IMPs.
Occasionally partner will have enough minor suit quacks to bring home 10 tricks but that isn't the main reason. Bidding 4♠ over 4♥ is such a powerful idea that it will often be right even if the contract isn't making.
Most importantly, an immediate 4♠ bid has huge tactical benefits, especially at these colours. The opponents could easily forget to double, and might be tempted into a phantom sacrifice.
Even strong players make mistakes, but only if give them the opportunity.
Occasionally partner will have enough minor suit quacks to bring home 10 tricks but that isn't the main reason. Bidding 4♠ over 4♥ is such a powerful idea that it will often be right even if the contract isn't making.
Most importantly, an immediate 4♠ bid has huge tactical benefits, especially at these colours. The opponents could easily forget to double, and might be tempted into a phantom sacrifice.
Even strong players make mistakes, but only if give them the opportunity.
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Posted 2014-December-16, 03:43
At those vulns 3!S and 4!S rebid. There is a chance that double would be avoided.
At any other - 4!S (judging the worst case scenario is ~[-2]).
At any other - 4!S (judging the worst case scenario is ~[-2]).
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Posted 2014-December-16, 07:20
I have play if p has the Q9 of diamonds and see no sound reason for
avoiding a rebid of
4s
now. Aside from making there is a chance we may get x while making and even
if we are doomed to go down a very defenseless opp might run or we might
only go down 1 which could be a good sac even at unfavorable. It is not
easy for opps to x when they have no trump winners and are missing 2 other
kings so bidding 4d now is actually far safer than waiting until the opps
bid 4h and if lho was not going to bid 4h p rates to have some stuff there
that should make 4s easy.
avoiding a rebid of
4s
now. Aside from making there is a chance we may get x while making and even
if we are doomed to go down a very defenseless opp might run or we might
only go down 1 which could be a good sac even at unfavorable. It is not
easy for opps to x when they have no trump winners and are missing 2 other
kings so bidding 4d now is actually far safer than waiting until the opps
bid 4h and if lho was not going to bid 4h p rates to have some stuff there
that should make 4s easy.
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