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#1 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2014-October-24, 07:42

This is a hand from a recent BBO tourney that I played.


MP, lead 2
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Posted 2014-October-24, 09:21

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Posted 2014-October-24, 09:29

Win in hand and play J, LHO might cover from Qxx or similar :)
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Posted 2014-October-24, 14:48

Are we playing to make (IMPs) or to minimize undertricks (Matchpoints)?
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Posted 2014-October-24, 16:05

 mgoetze, on 2014-October-24, 14:48, said:

Are we playing to make (IMPs) or to minimize undertricks (Matchpoints)?


It is MP.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2014-October-24, 16:07

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Posted 2014-October-24, 17:12

 Cyberyeti, on 2014-October-24, 16:07, said:

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I don't think we should analyse so deep in B/N forums, but if we will then here is my thoughts.

-4 will not be the common contract for most tables with only 22 hcp, 5-3 awful fit and it is MP (so having lost this board in the bidding part is more likely)
-It is not like you will discover a 5-1 break before it is too late anyway (with 1-5 he would lead his stiff or he has reasons not to lead)
-With 4-2 or 2-4 clubs, you still need them to ruff 3rd club from HHx/ Hx/xx/x for extra under trick.
-You may try to play clubs in specific order to get more honest counts, even from expert opponents, keeping the Q in dummy as an entry. 2 of indicates that we are safe to perform such play.


Overall, I believe we should try to make the hand even at MP Posted Image
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2014-October-24, 17:20

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-With 4-2 or 2-4 clubs, you still need them to ruff 3rd club from Hx/xx/x for extra under trick.


not true, they ruff the 3rd club from HHx, cross with a diamond and ruff the 4th club with 2 trumps still to come.
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Posted 2014-October-24, 17:28

 Cyberyeti, on 2014-October-24, 17:20, said:

not true, they ruff the 3rd club from HHx, cross with a diamond and ruff the 4th club with 2 trumps still to come.


Ok corrected, if this is all you came up with. Still way too little target to give up on clubs.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

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Posted 2014-October-25, 22:07

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Posted 2015-January-01, 14:35

Most important lesson for N/B to take away from this hand is to bid 3S over 3H. Assuming that South is worth a move over 2S at MP
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

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Posted 2015-January-01, 17:01

 1eyedjack, on 2015-January-01, 14:35, said:

Most important lesson for N/B to take away from this hand is to bid 3S over 3H. Assuming that South is worth a move over 2S at MP


No, the most important lesson is to try to come up with a layout of the opponents cards where you can bring this contract home.
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Posted 2015-January-01, 21:00

No, the most important lesson is that which will net them the most IMPS or MPS in the longer term when presented with these hands.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

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Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

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Posted 2015-January-01, 21:58

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Posted 2015-January-04, 17:31

 1eyedjack, on 2015-January-01, 21:00, said:

No, the most important lesson is that which will net them the most IMPS or MPS in the longer term when presented with these hands.


Sorry, but they are not going to be presented with this hands in their careers, how can that be important?
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Posted 2015-January-13, 19:13

 Cyberyeti, on 2014-October-24, 16:07, said:

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The nice part about this post is not just thinking of how to make the contract but also reminding the
beginning players that count should generally only be given when the need looks obvious. If declarer
can get an accurate count on how suits divide their task is much simpler. Stick primarily to suit
preference vs count or at a very minimum learn to randomize carding when count is not obviously needed.

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