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Am I Going Crazy Part 1

Poll: Am I Going Crazy (41 member(s) have cast votes)

What To Open

  1. 1 Club (8 votes [19.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.51%

  2. 1 Diamond (17 votes [41.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.46%

  3. 1NT (16 votes [39.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.02%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   eagles123 

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Posted 2014-September-05, 15:30

System = 4 card major, 12-14 NT

Game = imps

what do you open?



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Posted 2014-September-05, 15:39

Yeurgh. I hate opening 1N on singletons unless it's specifically systemic, and even more so with 5431s, but if ever I saw a balanced 5431, this is it.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 16:57

INT seems the least of all evils. But I hope I'd be understanding if partner chose either 1♦ or 1♣.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 19:02

Where I live the opening is 1♣, followed by a 1NT or 2♣ rebid depending on style.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 20:18

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-September-05, 19:02, said:

Where I live the opening is 1♣, followed by a 1NT or 2♣ rebid depending on style.


I wonder where one lives where their options are to open 1C and rebid 2C on 7xxxx, or to open 1C and rebid 1N showing 15-17 with a poor 14 and a stiff. Hell?
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Posted 2014-September-05, 22:00

I think the only two options are to open 1NT or to open 1♦ followed by 2♣ rebid. Honestly, I would never be in a serious partnership with anyone who opens this 1♣.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 05:32

1 ♦
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Posted 2014-September-06, 06:35

With this particular hand it is no problem because both opening 1NT, and opening 1♦ followed by 2♣, are fine.

But make it x-KJxx-AKx-Qxxxx and you have a problem.

IMO such a hand should rebid 1NT. It can't be right to make the cheapest rebid (1NT) so specific (15-17 with 2335, 3325, 3235 or 3334) while the 2♣ rebid shows a much larger group of hands, in particular many hands that would prefer to end the auction in 1NT.

Of course you can't rebid 1NT without discussion. But defining the 1NT rebid as an 11-17 catch-all would IMO be better, not only because it would allow you to suggest 1NT as a final contract with this hand but also because it would make the reverses and 3♣ rebids more well-defined.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 07:52

1D and rebid 2C.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 08:54

I overbid slightly, I open 1♣, I raise either red suit to 2, I rebid 1N over 1♠. I can live with opening 1♦ and rebidding 1N or 2♣ as it gets the right lead, if I open 1N, partner will have Jxxxx, xxx, x, KQxx and 2♠ might not be the best spot.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 10:55

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-September-06, 08:54, said:

I overbid slightly, I open 1♣, I raise either red suit to 2, I rebid 1N over 1♠. I can live with opening 1♦ and rebidding 1N or 2♣ as it gets the right lead, if I open 1N, partner will have Jxxxx, xxx, x, KQxx and 2♠ might not be the best spot.


agree that passing a wk 1nt may be an option with that responder hand
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Posted 2014-September-06, 11:36

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-September-06, 08:54, said:

I overbid slightly, I open 1♣, I raise either red suit to 2, I rebid 1N over 1♠. I can live with opening 1♦ and rebidding 1N or 2♣ as it gets the right lead, if I open 1N, partner will have Jxxxx, xxx, x, KQxx and 2♠ might not be the best spot.


Rebidding 1N on this playing regular Acol is awful. Even having opened it a weak NT, it might be the first 14 count I've seen in living memory that I wouldn't accept a game invite on.

If P has 5 spades, one of them will prob be a high honour, which will make your K worth something. I'd rather play in 2S opposite a randomly dealt 5-card S suit than in 3N opposite a randomly dealt 9 or 10 (or 11) count. Rebid 1N and you'll find yourself getting put in three opposite such as these:

QJxxx Kx xxx KQx
AJxx Kxx xxxx Qx
AQJx xxxx Qxx xx
Qxxxx Kxxx Qx Kx
JTxx Axxx xx AJx

They all seem like terrible games. Can you even construct a perfect 9 count P can have where the opps don't bid and game is a solid proposition? It's quite a challenge.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 11:40

View Posthelene_t, on 2014-September-06, 06:35, said:

With this particular hand it is no problem because both opening 1NT, and opening 1♦ followed by 2♣, are fine.

But make it x-KJxx-AKx-Qxxxx and you have a problem.

IMO such a hand should rebid 1NT. It can't be right to make the cheapest rebid (1NT) so specific (15-17 with 2335, 3325, 3235 or 3334) while the 2♣ rebid shows a much larger group of hands, in particular many hands that would prefer to end the auction in 1NT.

Of course you can't rebid 1NT without discussion. But defining the 1NT rebid as an 11-17 catch-all would IMO be better, not only because it would allow you to suggest 1NT as a final contract with this hand but also because it would make the reverses and 3♣ rebids more well-defined.


Why wouldn't this logic apply playing strong NT? Give the hand above the QH and you seem to have a similar dilemma.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 11:56

View PostPhantomSac, on 2014-September-05, 20:18, said:

I wonder where one lives where their options are to open 1C and rebid 2C on 7xxxx, or to open 1C and rebid 1N showing 15-17 with a poor 14 and a stiff. Hell?


Sorry, I wasn't too clear. I meant around here options are 1C-1x-1NT (12-14) and 1C-1x-2C. Obviously, playing a 12-14 1NT the 1st auction is a direct 1NT opening.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 12:06

The only system i knaw is standar american so i just said 1c.(orening the longest suit).
But this system is 15-17 1nt AND 5 card major...

I Thing you play Modern Acol, so ignore my post
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Posted 2014-September-06, 12:44

View PostJinksy, on 2014-September-06, 11:40, said:

Why wouldn't this logic apply playing strong NT? Give the hand above the QH and you seem to have a similar dilemma.

Yes but playing strong NT you can rebid 1NT with this hand without having discussed it - you just pretend to have a balanced hand. At least you are honest about your strength.

Playing weak NT you can play a wide-ranging 1NT rebid but you need agreements about how responder can ask.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 12:45

1NT since opening a minor and rebidding 1n shows 15 17 much better to lie a tad
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Posted 2014-September-06, 14:57

View Posthelene_t, on 2014-September-06, 12:44, said:

Yes but playing strong NT you can rebid 1NT with this hand without having discussed it - you just pretend to have a balanced hand. At least you are honest about your strength.

Playing weak NT you can play a wide-ranging 1NT rebid but you need agreements about how responder can ask.


Hm? If you have x-KQJx-AKx-Qxxxx and it goes 1C 1S / in a strong NT system, a 1N would still lie about your strength.
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Posted 2014-September-06, 18:36

1♦. It directs the lead you want if the opponents buy the hand and even if partner later expects you to have a five card suit after rebidding 2♣, AKJX won't be too disappointing.
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Posted 2014-September-07, 10:17

View PostJinksy, on 2014-September-06, 14:57, said:

Hm? If you have x-KQJx-AKx-Qxxxx and it goes 1C 1S / in a strong NT system, a 1N would still lie about your strength.


I don't think so. Partner bids your singleton, your long suit is weak, the points are in the short suit ...
this hand is not worth 15 hcp now, IMHO.
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