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At the club - #1

Poll: At the club - #1 (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. 3D (4 votes [17.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.39%

  2. 3H - initially asking NT stopper, although can be later converted to showing good diamond support (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  3. 4C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4D (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  5. 3S - splinter supporting diamonds (11 votes [47.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.83%

  6. 5D (4 votes [17.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.39%

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Posted 2013-April-03, 07:33



2/1. Matchpoints.

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Posted 2013-April-03, 07:40

Why is 3S not a splinter?
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Posted 2013-April-03, 07:46

View Postmr1303, on 2013-April-03, 07:40, said:

Why is 3S not a splinter?


You are correct...will try to revise poll.
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Posted 2013-April-03, 07:53

Under the conditions, 3♦. A little heavy maybe, but I will live with it.

I would consider 3♥ an immediate invitational diamond raise, and would choose it in that case.
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Posted 2013-April-03, 08:09

3♦. Set the trump suit. We are in a game forcing auction. There should be plenty of time available to do whatever is needed to get to 3NT or explore for slam.
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Posted 2013-April-03, 08:13

Game-forcing auction? Late April Fools joke?
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Posted 2013-April-03, 08:30

I see that there are other 5♦ bidders besides myself, but no explanation of that call yet, so I will give you my thinking.

a. It might make.
b. If it doesn't make, 4♥ their way might make.
c. If they go on to 5♥ partner might well double. At any rate he will surely know that I have a shapely hand.
d. I expect to be bidding 5♦ sooner or later anyway.
e. With my holding in the majors I doubt 6 is either biddable or makable.
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Posted 2013-April-03, 08:36

3S-jump splinter
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Posted 2013-April-03, 08:38

View Postlalldonn, on 2013-April-03, 08:13, said:

Game-forcing auction? Late April Fools joke?

Hmmm. You are right. This is not forcing.

In that case, I will splinter with 3♠. I want to get to game, but I am not willing to give up on slam. Sometimes when partner bids in competition he has a good hand.

Slam is good opposite a major suit ace (if the ace is in spades, he will need a heart control) plus AQxxx(xx) xx(x) or better in the minors. If partner has control of the majors and AQxxx(xx) of diamonds, the only problem case will be when partner has 3 small clubs, and then we will be on a 2-2 club break or the ♣Q singleton.
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Posted 2013-April-03, 08:39

3♠ is utterly obvious even for the I/A.
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Posted 2013-April-03, 09:00

3♠ seems pretty clear to me as well.
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Posted 2013-April-03, 15:19

Upon reflection, I change my vote from 5♦ to 3♠. Worse, I acknowledge it's obvious.
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Posted 2013-April-04, 04:14

View Postmr1303, on 2013-April-03, 07:40, said:

Why is 3S not a splinter?

Because we play that we can only splinter in the opponent's suit in competitive auctions?
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Posted 2013-April-04, 04:37

View Postcherdano, on 2013-April-04, 04:14, said:

Because we play that we can only splinter in the opponent's suit in competitive auctions?


I was wondering about that. I once thought of that agreement as standard but it now seems that no one else does. You would play 3♠ there as some natural black two-suiter?
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Posted 2013-April-05, 05:46

I think that cherdano's rule holds for responder's first bid, when you play jumps in other suits as support jumps. Support jumps in a new suit don't make much sense for opener's second bid. You could still play 3S as natural 5-6, but I think that the splinter is more useful and in line with other standard agreements (such as: when a non-jump bid in a new suit is natural and non-forcing, a jump is a splinter unless it is Gerber).

If you play 3S as splinter then it seems an obvious call. If you are later able deny a heart control then you have painted a very accurate picture of your hand.

If 3S is not available then I think that 4D is the best alternative. Don't ask me whether this is forcing Josh.
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