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#1 User is offline   madongjun 

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Posted 2013-February-26, 02:49


You haven't any HCP,you think you would PASS\PASS\PASS,but your partner forcing...
You think what's hand your partner has?
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Posted 2013-February-26, 03:58

There might be hands to force partner with the 3 and 5 spades cuebid. But I cannot imagine any hand where partner needs a 6 or 7 spade cuebid (especially the 7 spade cue).

If partner wants to play 7 NT, he can bid it without the Cues.

So I think, wests opening is a psych and partner has lots of spades. Therefore I would pass 6 spades.
The other possible reason is, that partner is a manic gambler. In such a case he has 13 tricks and wants to force a (re)contra.

In my opinion a psych is more likely than such crazy bidding from partner.
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Posted 2013-February-26, 04:34

View Postuhhlv, on 2013-February-26, 03:58, said:

In my opinion a psych is more likely than such crazy bidding from partner.

Even if the opps have psyched, partner's bidding is still crazy. 3 has a specific meaning, even when the OP has not actually told us what. That means that you cannot just bid it when you have a bunch of spades. If partner just wanted to play 7 then they could have bid it directly over 2. In my opinion, the most likely holding for North is a card saying: "I want a new partner." On the other hand, they could just be a complete beginner. If that is the case then there is no need for ridicule here (they may be a lurker for example).
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Posted 2013-February-26, 04:47

I thought it's just some sort of dog-walking to 7NT with a lot of stoppers and some running suit. I would bid 7 over 6 and am awaiting partner's hand, assuming this isn't a hand from MBC where someone contrived yet another 13 down in 7NTxx.
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Posted 2013-February-26, 05:58

I suspect it is someone trying to go for at least 2800.
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Posted 2013-February-26, 06:22

View Postmadongjun, on 2013-February-26, 02:49, said:


You haven't any HCP,you think you would PASS\PASS\PASS,but your partner forcing...
You think what's hand your partner has?

I don't know, but the 3 could be nice. ;)

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Posted 2013-February-26, 07:10

This is completely sick.

If partner had spades, aside from the fact that his 3 bid would be beyond absurd, he could have doubled his vulnerable opponents in 4. I am sure that down 10 doubled vulnerable (2900!) would compensate adequately for the missed grand.

So, it is clear that partner is suicidal.
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Posted 2013-February-26, 07:14

Tentative conclusion is that "partner" is simply sabotaging the game. I have blacklisted many users for this.
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Posted 2013-February-26, 09:41

Maybe partner has 13 tricks and was just trying to get doubled.

And maybe they don't. I think that covers it. Would bid 7 of course, since I have a straight flush.
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Posted 2013-February-26, 22:11

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-February-26, 09:41, said:

Maybe partner has 13 tricks and was just trying to get doubled.


You are right!
Four hand list:

By the method,you score 2980.Other room,after west 2,north 7NT,all pass,just score 2220.
Then,you win 760 and 13IMP!
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Posted 2013-February-26, 22:14

Thanks everyone!
Interesting hand!
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Posted 2013-February-27, 02:04

View Postmadongjun, on 2013-February-26, 22:11, said:

You are right!
Four hand list:

By the method choosing silly opponents,you score 2980.Other room,after west 2,north 7NT,all pass,just score 2220.
Then,you win 760 and 13IMP!



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Posted 2013-February-27, 06:09

View Postmadongjun, on 2013-February-26, 22:11, said:

By the method,you score 2980.Other room,after west 2,north 7NT,all pass,just score 2220.
Then,you win 760 and 13IMP!

How many IMPs would you have won for 7-8? If you play against poor opponents, it is easy to get into bad habits like this, which in a better standard of bridge will only lead to your confusing partner and reaching the odd bad result without any gain.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 06:27

I would be with yo Zel if it wasn't that partner had a double against 4 aviable and didn't use it. This is so clear that 7 can never be passed out, maybe he though that putting partner as declarer was worth something somehow, but having spades is impossible.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 06:37

Notice the first response Fluffy. The poster would have passed 6 even when it was clear that this was going to be another "I am so clever" thread. If a BBF poster would be willing to pass a spade bid then can you really tell me that someone in a game of the level shown in the OP would also not do it once in a while? As someone who plays in low level games, I can promise you that when someone takes it upon themselves to bid in a way like this, the result is very often a score such as 7-8 or 6-7.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 07:42

I am skeptical that this hand really occurred.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 07:51

Why? Besides the 7 bid, it sort of makes sense.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 08:06

I know, it is possible, it could have happened. I wouldn't fall over in shock. It's just that when something is this unusual as a story, I find doubt comes naturally.

A link to the hand record perhaps? The players names shouldn't matter.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 15:39

Pretty sure that 7N is down 11, not 8?
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Posted 2013-February-28, 02:11

View PostLord Molyb, on 2013-February-27, 15:39, said:

Pretty sure that 7N is down 11, not 8?

Quite possibly. I did not analyse it, just saw that 3 ruffs and 5 spades was the minimum and this was enough to make the point I wanted to.
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