[mike777]

both vul imps


P=P=(2h)=?


AQ8532...void....AK3.....KJ73


very interesting play and defense on this one also.

[ahydra]

I voted for X - as much as I'd like to bid 3S, the suit is pretty bad.

ahydra

[thomas c]

i voted double but im not sure what agreements i should have for an immediate 3s vs a jump to 4s after 3c,3d. but with both vul im willing to take the chance that part will pass. i hope someone will discuss at length response agreements over bids like this cause i know i need some.

[mikeh]

thomas c, on 2013-February-14, 09:55, said:

i voted double but im not sure what agreements i should have for an immediate 3s vs a jump to 4s after 3c,3d. but with both vul im willing to take the chance that part will pass. i hope someone will discuss at length response agreements over bids like this cause i know i need some.

I have no idea why you'd double then jump to 4♠ over 3m by partner.

Even absent a common agreement, such as lebensohl, doubling then bidding 3♠ shows a strong hand. However, with lebensohl in play, and I can't imagine it wasn't, then bidding 3♠ after a value-showing 3m is 100% forcing.

Given that when partner bids 3♣, we may have a club slam on a hand on which 4♠ fails, it seems to me to be wrong to insist upon spades. The same is true, to a lesser extent, over 3♦ by partner.

I also think it common to distinguish between the 2 direct spade jump overcalls and double followed by spades. Generally speaking the double promises a more flexible hand while the direct jump conveys the message that we intend to play in spades. A suit of AQ8xxx is not even remotely in that category, even if we were, say, 6133.

[han]

Double is standout imo.

[gszes]

starting with x and following with 3s (unless p bids 2s:)) shows a hand similar
to a direct jump to 3s (over 2h) with the main difference being one of suit quality.
The direct jump assures p that the spade suit is pretty darn good. The x then 3s
actually is a plea for help in spades. A case can be made that a 2S overcall is
better for this hand and I respect that but there is so much in the way of playing
value here that I think 2s undervalues the offesive potential of this hand.

IMO x=10 3s=7 2s=6 4s=3

[lmilne]

Hit it, what happens next

[mike777]

ONE TABLE x and ended up in 4s making 5.

The Italian bid 2s and ended up in 6s making.

pard had:

KJXX...T9876...QJ...XX

I found the play and defense also interesting.

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[diana_eva]

mike777, on 2013-February-15, 11:49, said:

ONE TABLE x and ended up in 4s making 5.

The Italian bid 2s and ended up in 6s making.

pard had:

KJXX...T9876...QJ...XX

I found the play and defense also interesting.

http://www.bridgebas...S7%7Cmc%7C12%7C

Yup, nice hand. A friend showed this hand to me pointing out that a D back from East after cashing club Ace can set. Glad you posted it. I was curious to hear what others say bec DD shows it makes regardless.

[thomas c]

[quote name='mikeh' timestamp='1360859009' post='705719']
I have no idea why you'd double then jump to 4♠ over 3m by partner.

Even absent a common agreement, such as lebensohl, doubling then bidding 3♠ shows a strong hand. However, with lebensohl in play, and I can't imagine it wasn't, then bidding 3♠ after a value-showing 3m is 100% forcing.

does bidding 3s show 6? i simply thought that bidding 4s would show willingness to play opposite a doubleton. as i stated i dont really have agreements here and i know im out of touch.