[Raff90]

im 22 years old myself so maybe im right ^^.
Number 1: I consider its slamish asking for cuebids.
Number 2: Would be minors for me.
Number 3: SoS

[rhm]

gnasher, on 2013-January-11, 06:16, said:

Yes, of course it does, and that's why I asked you what hand you hoped to find opposite. Playing a style where those two hands are (a) not worth a move opposite 2♠ and (b) now worth a redouble, what is the range of responding hands you expect?

4-6 HCP mostly in a reasonable 6 card suit, two of the top 3 or 3 of the top 5 honors would be typical.

Rainer Herrmann

[PhilKing]

I once saw a hand where the opponents made a balancing double of Two Spades and the contract made easily - true story.

With a 16 or 17 count with a stiff spade honour, I would expect to make 2♠XX more than half the time, so I go for the throat. From my point of view, the penalty pass may not be guilt edged, since they may have had nowhere to go, so any talk of them "choosing" to take a penalty is off base. If the hand is touch and go, the defence is apt to lose bowel control and defend worse when you increase the stakes.

Were I to choose to run on a 0454 with good diamonds, I would run to 2NT. I personally think this should be, of all things, an attempt to play in 2NT - not some whacky attempt to show a 64 which partner will have absolutely no interest in.

[gnasher]

PhilKing, on 2013-January-11, 07:10, said:

I once saw a hand where the opponents made a balancing double of Two Spades and the contract made easily - true story.

When you saw this hand, did opener whisper to you as he put dummy down, "I expect he'll make this"? If not, I don't see how how your story is relevant.

[gnasher]

PhilKing, on 2013-January-11, 07:10, said:

With a 16 or 17 count with a stiff spade honour, I would expect to make 2♠XX more than half the time, so I go for the throat.

Are you the same Phil King as the one who earlier wrote this:

PhilKing, on 2013-January-07, 20:09, said:

I would never redouble.

[rhm]

RSClyde, on 2013-January-11, 05:14, said:

If he has any kind of spade fit (a well positioned honor is at least an 8-fit) then the opponents have a fit and he's giving them the chance to get out. He'll never get 3 of thier suit enough to offset 2SX making.

That may well depend on the vulnerability.
Fact is that opener did redouble and there is no hand where SOS makes any sense, at least I have not seen it yet.
SOS makes a bad situation worse, because you can not play in your least worst contract now any more. That is not the purpose of this convention.
Maybe I am old fashioned.
For me RDBL is natural unless you can prove that a conventional meaning makes at least sense in theory and even then I would like a firm agreement before playing it conventional.
Running from a weak hand with a six card spade suit is somewhat different than running from a weak notrump opening!
Here no one has come up with a hand.
Gnasher tried and failed.
Show us the hand where SOS makes sense!

Rainer Herrmann

[PhilKing]

gnasher, on 2013-January-11, 07:26, said:

Are you the same Phil King as the one who earlier wrote this:

Today I am feeling 25.

I would never redouble because my meta agreement was take-out and I would never do that on any hand. So I am changing my agreement.

[RSClyde]

rhm, on 2013-January-11, 07:30, said:

That may well depend on the vulnerability.
Fact is that opener did redouble and there is no hand where SOS makes any sense, at least I have not seen it yet.
SOS makes a bad situation worse, because you can not play in your least worst contract now any more. That is not the purpose of this convention.
Maybe I am old fashioned.
For me RDBL is natural unless you can prove that a conventional meaning makes at least sense in theory and even then I would like a firm agreement before playing it conventional.
Running from a weak hand with a six card spade suit is somewhat different than running from a weak notrump opening!
Here no one has come up with a hand.
Gnasher tried and failed.
Show us the hand where SOS makes sense!

Rainer Herrmann

It's the law of total tricks: if we each have 8 trump (they are very likely to have 8 if we do) then making 2♠ means we can beat 3 of something 1 trick which is hardly a game at any colors. I get it you aren't the one who XX, just trying to interpret the bid.
No matter what the XX is terrible. The fact that partner may not know whether it is penalty or SOS when, in either case, another action wold have been possible, is just asking for a zip code.

[gnasher]

rhm, on 2013-January-11, 07:30, said:

Here no one has come up with a hand.
Gnasher tried and failed.
Show us the hand where SOS makes sense!

You mean I failed to provide a hand that made sense to you. I'm still quite happy with my construction.