[Lord Molyb]

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Spot cards approximated.
How do you bid this?

[fromageGB]

No idea.
I open 7♦ on the surmise that nobody is likely to have a major holding sufficient for other than a very risky 7, and that a 4-1-1 / 4-0-2 club distribution sounds more likely than a 5-1-1 / 5-0-2 diamond split. No doubt someone will tell us.

[RunemPard]

Cannot let the opponents get a sacrifice...pick your poison for grand...although opening 7D may just say your an idiot if you let us have this...

[Fluffy]

Depends a lot on opponents, I tend to open 7♦, but opening 1♦ to rebid 7♣ against passive opponents is maybe better

[fromageGB]

 Fluffy, on 2013-January-06, 15:03, said:

Depends a lot on opponents, I tend to open 7♦, but opening 1♦ to rebid 7♣ against passive opponents is maybe better

Do you really think that with distributions as they will be, opponents are going to be passive???

I would much rather get in quickly BEFORE they discover they have a 2-suited fit.

[dwar0123]

 fromageGB, on 2013-January-06, 13:14, said:

No idea.
I open 7♦ on the surmise that nobody is likely to have a major holding sufficient for other than a very risky 7, and that a 4-1-1 / 4-0-2 club distribution sounds more likely than a 5-1-1 / 5-0-2 diamond split. No doubt someone will tell us.

I believe you need both suits to split to make 7, so which one you are in is rather immaterial.

In an effort to keep opponents from saccing at the 7 level, I think I would start with 2♣ and make normal sounding forcing bids until I bid 7 of one of them.

[wyman]

2C-2D-7D so you can go to the bar.

[CSGibson]

Either 7♦ or some plan that involves blackwood at some point to make sure that I don't miss 7N, and to make the opponents think that the wheels may have come off when they have a "cashing" ace.

[Fluffy]

 fromageGB, on 2013-January-07, 04:41, said:

Do you really think that with distributions as they will be, opponents are going to be passive???

You might be suprised how balanced opponents can be when you have a 7-6 AND I never said opponents would stay silent, read my post again, some opponents would never ever bid a grand on defence, so it doesn't matter at all what they hold or bid.

[the hog]

7D. Don't overthink the hand.

[lycier]

Open 1♦, and plan to rebid 7♣.Is this a good idea?

[Lord Molyb]

 lycier, on 2013-January-07, 19:41, said:

Open 1♦, and plan to rebid 7♣.Is this a good idea?

What if LHO had 1-8-1-3 and RHO had something like ♠AKxxxxx ♥Axxx ♦x ♣x? They could easily bid to 7 hearts, crowding you out of your minors.

[PhilKing]

I remember a trials back in 1990 when John Hobson held:

♠- ♥AKQJxx ♦AKJxxxx ♣-

He opened 7♥ on the rationale that opponents may fail to lead a trump when partner is 1-1 in the reds. The auction proceeded: pass pass 7♠ double, and the opponents went for 2000. No big deal, you might think, except that LHO had passed over 7♥ with ten, nine to seven hearts!

So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7♥ for take-out?

[Lord Molyb]

 PhilKing, on 2013-January-07, 20:53, said:

I remember a trials back in 1990 when John Hobson held:

♠- ♥AKQJxx ♦AKJxxxx ♣-

He opened 7♥ on the rationale that opponents may fail to lead a trump when partner is 1-1 in the reds. The auction proceeded: pass pass 7♠ double, and the opponents went for 2000. No big deal, you might think, except that LHO had passed over 7♥ with ten, nine to seven hearts!

So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7♥ for take-out?

you're saying his LHO had ♥109xxxxx and didn't double 7♥?!

[PhilKing]

 Lord Molyb, on 2013-January-07, 20:56, said:

you're saying his LHO had ♥109xxxxx and didn't double 7♥?!

Yep - he explained afterwards that if he doubled it should show a desire to sacrifice in 7♠, but catering for partner holding a trump trick.

On the same rationale, his partner should have doubled to show long spades (rather than Lightner) ...

[SteveMoe]

I think opening 7♣ is obvious - how else can we insure we win the 13th trick with the ♦7!

[bigbenvic]

 SteveMoe, on 2013-January-07, 21:43, said:

I think opening 7♣ is obvious - how else can we insure we win the 13th trick with the ♦7!

YES, it's all about the beer card!

[Fluffy]

 Lord Molyb, on 2013-January-07, 20:40, said:

What if LHO had 1-8-1-3 and RHO had something like ♠AKxxxxx ♥Axxx ♦x ♣x? They could easily bid to 7 hearts, crowding you out of your minors.

They can always bid 7♥ over whatever, cherry picking full hands is absurd, but picking a minor suit not to break its much more reasonable, opponents defending is bad, but going down when you could make it is much worse.

[Fluffy]

This hand reminds me of one we had in the club a couple years ago, don't remember exactly, but mostly it was that if ♠AKQxxxx were running 12 tricks were cold and 13 possible.

A player who had been playing for 25 years stayed at 4 spades. I think she just counted her points and added some for the shape or something like.

BTW If I ever see this kind of club player open 7 of something I would insta bid 7 of something higher.

[Antrax]

If I ever play against you, I'll be sure to open 7♠ on nothing