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#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2012-November-11, 02:42

View Postawm, on 2012-November-10, 18:29, said:



1. ♥A-♥2-♥J-♥6

This hand is interesting as a defensive signalling hand. At the table, I see two legitimate ways of setting the contract. Partner can either have xxx Jxx xxxxxx A (club to the ace, heart back, club ruff), or Qxx JTx Kxxxx xx (♥K, then wait for slow ♠ and ♦).

How would you signal in your partnership to differentiate between the two?


本题面拷贝字BBO有趣桥牌论坛,很有难度。
首攻♥A---♥2---♥J---♥6后,问题来了:
这是一幅很有趣的防守信号牌,而我看到可能存在两种合理的牌面:
1-同伴即可能是:XXX Jxx XXXXXX A(同伴打♥J的意思是换攻♣,再回♥,再将吃♣)
2-同伴也可能是:QXX JTx KXXXX xx(同伴的意思是继续打♥K,以后徐图♠和♦)

请问:你和你的同伴对上述两种情况是如何区分信号的?
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Posted 2012-November-11, 08:18

我的信号知识学习和理解运用,都需要恶补,恭听各位详细论述。


如果是标准信号,同伴攻A后,我给J:通常是鼓励同伴继续兑现K,不要被庄家迅速垫了H。自己手里拿着肯定的将牌Q,以及DK或CA中一个,更像是短套中DK。

如果反式信号,J当然是不欢迎了。那只有换攻,应该是有DK和CA,警示同伴换攻D。(如有最高牌面的对应较低花色这一说,则依约定——显然是C缺门或单A)
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Posted 2012-November-11, 09:06

哪位对信号掌握好的,请给大家做个关键性的讲解。不是简单的一、二轮,而是一揽子的连续运用。
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Posted 2012-November-11, 21:54

就反式信号系统请教过多位朋友,所给答案不一,大多数朋友认为反式信号只针对态度信号和牌张信号,其余按标准信号。如果按这个思路,那么持第一手牌XXX Jxx XXXXXX A时垫H最小张请同伴换攻C,这时的小并不是欢迎搭档继续攻H,因为继续攻H明手的HQ将做大,这是我们所不愿看到的;持第2手牌QXX JTx KXXXX xx时垫HJ就表示不欢迎同伴继续出H,而请同伴换攻D :)
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Posted 2012-November-12, 00:37

按照反式信号,♥J是不欢迎继续♥。如果是第1副那样的持牌,不能跟♥J,只能跟♥三张中的中间一个,希望同伴能理解是不欢迎继续♥,且换攻♣;如果是第二副,则♥J,不欢迎继续♥并希望回攻♦。
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Posted 2012-November-12, 18:42

View Post601821297, on 2012-November-11, 21:54, said:

就反式信号系统请教过多位朋友,所给答案不一,大多数朋友认为反式信号只针对态度信号和牌张信号,其余按标准信号。如果按这个思路,那么持第一手牌XXX Jxx XXXXXX A时垫H最小张请同伴换攻C,这时的小并不是欢迎搭档继续攻H,因为继续攻H明手的HQ将做大,这是我们所不愿看到的;持第2手牌QXX JTx KXXXX xx时垫HJ就表示不欢迎同伴继续出H,而请同伴换攻D :)



Hi, 从字面上来看 UDCA(Upside Down Count and Attitude)反式的含义应该只包括张数和姿态信号。对于花色信号,不知道支持也反过来的想法,认为反过来有什么好处呢?
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Posted 2012-November-12, 20:50

shingkit好,一般认为花色选择信号,也就是要花色信号不反,如果你和搭档约定反也是可以的。好处:迷惑敌方 :P
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Posted 2012-November-12, 22:37

按我个人理解并与搭档约定是:垫一个不必要大牌作为警示信号,那么第二手看HAK DK SQ赢墩,完全没必要垫J,正常次序是x鼓励-HJ要花色续攻D;对于第一手牌,就需要用垫不必要大牌表示警示(强烈)要求换攻,当然从明手牌看出,庄家有CA换攻D毫无前途,只能寄希望CA并将吃,幸好可以保留了HK进手。
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Posted 2012-November-15, 21:32

如果反式信号包括垫大牌即表示不欢迎和换攻最低的(全反着)花色多好!
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Posted 2012-November-15, 21:34

如果反式信号包括垫大牌即表示不欢迎和换攻最低的(全反着)花色多好!
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