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Strong enough to take out their weak 2?

Poll: Strong enough to take out their weak 2? (38 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (35 votes [92.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 92.11%

  2. Double (3 votes [7.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

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#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2012-October-17, 11:36



Matchpoints.

Do you take out 2H?
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Posted 2012-October-17, 11:44

Not even close.

I admit that I like to have a better hand than most people when it comes to direct actions over preempts, but this one is so far away from a takeout double of 2♥ that it is surprising to me that the question was even posted here.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 12:01

This calls to mind a saying I used to use more than I do now:

even thinking about bidding is an overbid.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 12:01

I act aggressively over preempts, but this hand is an easy pass for me. It has only 11 hcp, only 3 ♠ and a sterile 3244 distribution with many losers. The only redeeming feature is the two bullets.

Vulnerable I can imagine PD taking the push to 4♠ over a non making 4♥ and going for 800 or 1100 when trumps split 5-1 and we're doubled.

This is not a hand I open playing S/A or 2/1 and most definately it isn't a hand I X here.

EDIT: But I would take my chances and X in balancing seat.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 12:06

I would pass directly, but I would double after two passes.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 12:08

It's close but not quite. Like Ken I would double in balancing seat.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 12:11

 lalldonn, on 2012-October-17, 12:08, said:

It's close but not quite. Like Ken I would double in balancing seat.


Take away the diamond Queen, and we might both double if white on white? LOL
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Posted 2012-October-17, 13:19

Feels close to me too; I guess I would pass but the two small hearts make it very tempting to double. I'm way more worried about partner passing it out with three hearts (if I pass) than I am about possibly going for 1100 if I double.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 14:37

To me it is close also. I would dbl. Perhaps by coinsidence i have been burnt a lot more for remaining silent with those hands than being burnt by bidding at mps.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 15:53

The combination of having just 11 HCP, a doubleton as opposed to a singleton heart, and only three spades makes this a clear pass.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 17:59

 kenrexford, on 2012-October-17, 12:11, said:

Take away the diamond Queen, and we might both double if white on white? LOL

Ummmm.... maybe :)
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Posted 2012-October-17, 18:05

Another close but not quite here.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 18:28

Pass is totally obvious.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 18:35

not even close but that's in my partnership style.

We would never dream of opening this in 1st chair so coming in r v w with an unpassed hand pard is nuts.

But that's just our chosen style. We balance like crazy but mean it when we come in directly in an auction like this. More aggressive styles are not wrong but I would like to play against them for cash.
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Posted 2012-October-17, 21:09

If you swapped the black suits, I would at least think about it.
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Posted 2012-October-18, 10:33

I'm another balancer. I overcall strong, and this is "not even close" to a direct overcall for me. But, because I'm routinely passing hands stronger than this (after 10 seconds), I pretty much have to balance with hands like this.
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Posted 2012-October-19, 01:21

 655321, on 2012-October-17, 18:05, said:

Another close but not quite here.


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Posted 2012-October-19, 06:23

I guide myself by this table against preempts that put me at the 3 level:

act with 10 HCP and void
act with 12 HCP and singleton
act with 14 HCP and doubleton
act with 15 HCP unless looking for penalties.

I use this conservative table because I frequently upgrade 1-2 point for whatever reason, for example 6133 is obviously stronger than 4144 with the same HCP count. I like to think that a 1NT overcall shows 16-18, this way I bid it with many 15 counts but I can talk myself not to do it with 14.

In the passout seat I susbstract 3/4 points from the table, so would bid with the hand posted and some weaker ones.
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Posted 2012-October-19, 08:45

Pass, way too flat and not enough spades. I'm not sure I'd balance with an X either given the lack of spades.

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Posted 2013-February-14, 06:40

 Fluffy, on 2012-October-19, 06:23, said:

I guide myself by this table against preempts that put me at the 3 level:

You could just shorten this to 15 5-3-1 points, Fluffy. Do you use a similar guide for the 4 level too?
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