[kgr]

Teams/Imp's

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- I didn't play this with my regular partner. No agreements, so assume everything is natural.
- With my regular partner we have some strange agreements where DBL=transfer to ♠; and 4♦=6c♦&4c♠; and 3♠ is transfer to 3NT (no stop); and 5♦ is to play. With these agreement 3♠ is obvious?

[Phil]

One of these days I'm going to open a kgr thread and not see some bizarre structure mentioned.

Yes, I think if I did play these methods, 3♠ seems sensible, since we can rightside the hand when partner has the A.

I would bid 3N with a straight face.

[CSGibson]

Phil, on 2012-September-26, 08:44, said:

One of these days I'm going to open a kgr thread and not see some bizarre structure mentioned.

Yes, I think if I did play these methods, 3♠ seems sensible, since we can rightside the hand when partner has the A.

I would bid 3N with a straight face.

3N is a parlay that 1) partner has hearts stopped, 2) partner has at least a trick outside of his heart stop, and 3) that partner doesn't raise you or put you in 4♠ anyway.

Call me chicken, but I'm going to do the old-fashioned thing and bid what's in front of my face - 4♦. I know that will be the best action at matchpoints (frequency basis), and I bet a sim would prove its also best at teams.

[gwnn]

kgr, on 2012-September-26, 08:34, said:

Teams/Imp's

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- I didn't play this with my regular partner. No agreements, so assume everything is natural.
- With my regular partner we have some strange agreements where DBL=transfer to ♠; and 4♦=6c♦&4c♠; and 3♠ is transfer to 3NT (no stop); and 5♦ is to play. With these agreement 3♠ is obvious?

And what do you do with a takeout double? I guess 3S and partner can still pass for penalties (=penalising me for making him play these methods).

[Phil]

CSGibson, on 2012-September-26, 09:45, said:

3N is a parlay that 1) partner has hearts stopped, 2) partner has at least a trick outside of his heart stop, and 3) that partner doesn't raise you or put you in 4♠ anyway.

Call me chicken, but I'm going to do the old-fashioned thing and bid what's in front of my face - 4♦. I know that will be the best action at matchpoints (frequency basis), and I bet a sim would prove its also best at teams.

You aren't a chicken. I'm re-reading Matchpoints, and there's a similar hand with 4225 16 where Woolsey with a 2♥ opening and he suggested a 3m overcall instead of 2N or an offshape double.

Call me crazy, but I also win when LHO doesn't lead his stiff heart, hearts block, or RHO ducks expecting me to have Qxx. As far as developing a 9th trick, this isn't much of a concern if RHO is out of the picture since I'm playing double dummy.

I'm also a big believer in the idea if you have to guess, at least guess where there's some upside.

[kgr]

gwnn, on 2012-September-26, 10:27, said:

And what do you do with a takeout double? I guess 3S and partner can still pass for penalties (=penalising me for making him play these methods).

Note that here I didn't play with my regular partner, so the methods didn't apply.
For methods with my regular partner: DBL is transfer to ♠, at least a 4c♠. With a TO DBL we can also DBL if we have at least 4c♠.

[CSGibson]

Phil, on 2012-September-26, 10:31, said:

You aren't a chicken. I'm re-reading Matchpoints, and there's a similar hand with 4225 16 where Woolsey with a 2♥ opening and he suggested a 3m overcall instead of 2N or an offshape double.

Call me crazy, but I also win when LHO doesn't lead his stiff heart, hearts block, or RHO ducks expecting me to have Qxx. As far as developing a 9th trick, this isn't much of a concern if RHO is out of the picture since I'm playing double dummy.

I'm also a big believer in the idea if you have to guess, at least guess where there's some upside.

There is upside to 4♦, or any call that accurately describes our hand opposite an unpassed partner. This could very easily get us to our diamond slam, or making diamond game when 3N is going down 3 vulnerable. This is not the same situation where we are in the balancing seat after an opponent has failed to raise, partner can have a heart void still at this point. I don't think the math supports a 3N call, even though it can work sometimes.

[lalldonn]

I'm so sure 3NT is the best bid (ignoring the weird methods) that I wouldn't be happy if my partner did anything else.

If I was really playing 3♠ is a transfer to 3NT, then sure why not do that!

[gwnn]

oops

[kgr]

Thank you all for the answers.
I wondered if this could also be a 3NT bid and for some it actually seems to be (I'm not convinced it is best).
Maybe I should not post who the bidding continued :
Teams/Imp's

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My partner was weak with a 6c♠. LHO had ♠KQx and a singleton ♥.