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#1 User is offline   Bbradley62 

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Posted 2012-September-19, 00:06

I expected 5♠ to be non-forcing (invitational). Is that what GIB meant with his 17 HCP opposite a partner who jumped?
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Posted 2012-September-19, 06:42

View PostBbradley62, on 2012-September-19, 00:06, said:

I expected 5♠ to be non-forcing (invitational). Is that what GIB meant with his 17 HCP opposite a partner who jumped?

Normally 5♠ is forcing to 6 invitational to 7 after all why bid 5 then. I don't know GIB is supposed to work that out given the ill-definition of 3♠ with only an upper limit on strength. It should just bid blackwood and then bid 5NT (all keycards).
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Posted 2012-September-19, 14:42

Seems unclear who should step into blackwood first.

After GF and such suit-jump, would be also reasonable, ♠ settled for cuebidding and 4♣ to be 1+/2+♠ and A♣, etc.

Opener wishers to claim that's our suit, so 4NT from the responder could be too quick.

3♠ might need some more honors in the suit, thou, as you nearly claim you would resist on void in partner to make game in this suit.

Book bid for North is 4NT actually.

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Posted 2012-September-19, 15:37

View Postgeorgi, on 2012-September-19, 14:42, said:

Book bid for North is 4NT actually.
And it is a recurring theme here that most of us would like to see GIB make the book bid, when there is one, unless GIB has a really really good reason to do otherwise.
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Posted 2012-September-19, 15:39

I'd still like an answer to the basic questions: What does 5♠ mean? Is it forcing?
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Posted 2012-September-20, 11:47

Personally I wish the gibs would default to 4NT rather than 5M for slam tries, 5- 8421 pts is way too tough to judge, If I have Qxxx, I wouldn't mind knowing if partner has Jxxx (or worse...) or KJxx. Not quite relevant to the hand, but it does bid 5M way too often...

5S there asks you to start cuebidding on this sequence (at the 6 level- yuck).
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Posted 2012-September-20, 14:24

5♠ is not forcing.

It's not well described in this sequence, but it carries 5- 8421 in the trump. So it's asking for the trump quality to bid 6. If it asks to bid 7, it would use 5NT instead.

It will be addressed for improvement in GF and slam sequences.
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