[canaya14]

Playing IMPS, all red, playing 2/1 forcing game, your partner deals and open 1♠
You hold:
♠ --
♥ Axxx
♦ A10xx
♣ KQJxx
You bid 2♣ and partner rebid 4♠, what would you bid over that?

[mike777]

pass


I could not have a worse hand.


If pard wanted to know more he could bid 2s or 3s demanding I cuebid.

Of course 4s does not exist...silly bid.

Please dont tell me this is a picture showing bid showing whatever

[jillybean]

pass and find a new partner

[Hanoi5]

I'm asking for key cards. Two and the queen and I'm getting to six. If it isn't on I'm having a little chat with partner about the meaning/reason for 2/1 f.g.

[mikestar13]

mike777, on 2012-August-17, 21:47, said:

pass


I could not have a worse hand.


If pard wanted to know more he could bid 2s or 3s demanding I cuebid.

Of course 4s does not exist...silly bid.

Please dont tell me this is a picture showing bid showing whatever

OK, I'll tell you this bid could logically be a picture bid showing great trumps and nothing else noteworthy (No A, K, stiff,void on the side.) This makes pass obvious: we're off A♣ and two red kings.

[mikestar13]

mike777, on 2012-August-17, 21:47, said:

pass


I could not have a worse hand.


If pard wanted to know more he could bid 2s or 3s demanding I cuebid.

Of course 4s does not exist...silly bid.

Please dont tell me this is a picture showing bid showing whatever

OK, I'll tell you this bid could logically be a picture bid showing great trumps and nothing else noteworthy (No A, K, stiff, or void on the side.) This makes pass obvious: we're off A♣ and two red kings.

[the hog]

Eh! 1S 2m 4S certainly does exist! It shows a minimum opening with long and very good Spades.
An example in the contest of the responding hand might be:

KQJTxxx
xx
KQ
xx

Here you would be off 2 aces. I do not understand those who say the bid does not exist, or "get a new partner". I think it is silly to say the bid does not exist.

[mike777]

the hog, on 2012-August-17, 23:40, said:

Eh! 1S 2m 4S certainly does exist! It shows a minimum opening with long and very good Spades.
An example in the contest of the responding hand might be:

KQJTxxx
xx
KQ
xx

Here you would be off 2 aces. I do not understand those who say the bid does not exist, or "get a new partner". I think it is silly to say the bid does not exist.

easy 2s rebid......geez


Imean if this is 4s rebid then pls alert and tell partner

I mean this bid shows KQ of d for example and xx in clubs?

[RunemPard]

If the bid promises no offsuit A or K, easy pass...

Honestly, even if it promises the top 3 honors, no single, and maybe 1 offsuit K, slam really is not our goal either.

But yea, expecting what the rest say, and I just want to pass.

[the hog]

mike777, on 2012-August-18, 00:27, said:

easy 2s rebid......geez


Imean if this is 4s rebid then pls alert and tell partner

I mean this bid shows KQ of d for example and xx in clubs?

I don't understand you Mike, 4S is a highly descriptive bid. I don't need to alert the opposition and I certainly don't need to tell any of my partners as this is the sort of hand they, and I, and in fact most anyone I know, would expect.

[canaya14]

To clarify a little, you are not playing pictures bid, and 2♠ rebid could be anything (only promises 6 cards), from a weak opener to no upper limits, expecting p to better describe his hand. You do play some simple fast arrival.

[phil_20686]

This just describes those preempts that are a bit strong to be pre-empted. You can obviously also play this as a picture bid for clubs or some such, but that is a minority usage.

The exact hand expected for 4S will vary depending on pre-empt style, and if you play Namyats and stuff like that.

With no discussion, a hand with 8 spades, no more than two keycards, and no more than two first round controls. Even if he has AK to 8 and an outside K, about the best possible hand that might bid this way, slam is poor.

Note that in standard agreements it is impossible for the spade suit to be totally solid, as we have a 3S rebid to show that, so a spade loser should be expected.

[ggwhiz]

In my partnership the 4♠ bid shows a hand very slightly above an opening pre-empt.

I'm just happy to have the controls that will make this.

[jillybean]

canaya14, on 2012-August-18, 06:07, said:

To clarify a little, you are not playing pictures bid, and 2♠ rebid could be anything (only promises 6 cards), from a weak opener to no upper limits, expecting p to better describe his hand. You do play some simple fast arrival.

What would partner bid with only 5 spades and a hand unsuitable for NT?

[ggwhiz]

jillybean, on 2012-August-18, 08:43, said:

What would partner bid with only 5 spades and a hand unsuitable for NT?

They have a club raise or a new suit to bid here.

The dillema is when the opener is 1♥ and has 4 spades in it. Depending on honour distribution you might have to rebid a 5-card heart suit if (as in my system) 2♠ still shows a reverse.

[gszes]

QJT9xxxx
KJ
KQ
x

a very reasonable 4s bid very minimum
decent suit can play opposite a void. Good
chance of being very short in p 2m suit.

bidding 4s with a hand like this helps show the difference
between good hands with long spades where we go slow
with a 2s bid.

mikeh is righ that our chances of slam are poor at best.
pass and hope we can make it.

[jillybean]

ggwhiz, on 2012-August-18, 10:11, said:

They have a club raise or a new suit to bid here.

The dillema is when the opener is 1♥ and has 4 spades in it. Depending on honour distribution you might have to rebid a 5-card heart suit if (as in my system) 2♠ still shows a reverse.

Would you raise clubs or bid a 3 card suit if you are 5332?

[jillybean]

gszes, on 2012-August-18, 11:21, said:

QJT9xxxx
KJ
KQ
x

a very reasonable 4s bid very minimum
decent suit can play opposite a void. Good
chance of being very short in p 2m suit.

bidding 4s with a hand like this helps show the difference
between good hands with long spades where we go slow
with a 2s bid.

mikeh is righ that our chances of slam are poor at best.
pass and hope we can make it.

If you have this agreement with your partner then it is an easy pass but I assume the OP does not have this agreement
or it would not have been posted as a problem.

[canaya14]

Well, actually, i was the opener myself
I held
♠KQJxxxx
♥Kx
♦Qxx
♣x
To me, opening 1♠ and jump to 4 after the game forcing response means "ok we are commited to game, this is the only one i can play, and i dont see any chance to go further, pls pass, unless you have a bomb"
My partner bid 6 ♠, wich to me is a big mistake (trumps void, 2 missing red Kings and club ace, remember).
Yet my p disagrees to my bid and claim the -500 (2 down doubled ) is my fault.
What do you think?
Tx

[TimG]

jillybean, on 2012-August-18, 08:43, said:

What would partner bid with only 5 spades and a hand unsuitable for NT?

If you're 5332, what would make the hand unsuitable for NT?