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prob not right to bid 5nt missing 3 keycards

#1 User is offline   Stephen Tu 

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Posted 2012-May-22, 13:45



Issues, let's see:
- 3H is described as "12+ total points". That seems a little thin to me for 3 level overcall, and probably has follow on effects for how strong it thinks other actions are. I think it should be maybe 14+ total points.

- 4H is described as "13-18 total points". That's kind of high, and maybe a consequence of how 3H is defined. In practice I'm going to raise all 10 counts, and I think even some good 9s. And I'm probably bidding something else first with stronger hands. I think the range should be more like 10-16 total points?

- 4nt is really aggro over 4h, prob because it thinks min for 4h is too high

- which probably makes it assume I have 3 key cards rather than zero, since this is just about the only 13 count that I have with zero keycards? But maybe not -- I think that I've seen other auctions posted where it incorrectly assumes the higher number of keycards. Unless it is really impossible to deal partner zero keycards (e.g. partner opened 2nt, jump rebid 2nt, etc.), it should assume the lower number, and partner with the higher number can move later.

This hand was annoying because of a bunch of other times when GIB could have taken control with RKC (after 1nt-2c-2M-3OM-4M-?) auctions, bid the WTF should I do 5M instead, and then I bid the slam off two aces. Then it picks *this* hand to RKC?
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Posted 2012-May-23, 04:35

View PostStephen Tu, on 2012-May-22, 13:45, said:



Issues, let's see:
- 3H is described as "12+ total points". That seems a little thin to me for 3 level overcall, and probably has follow on effects for how strong it thinks other actions are. I think it should be maybe 14+ total points.

- 4H is described as "13-18 total points". That's kind of high, and maybe a consequence of how 3H is defined. In practice I'm going to raise all 10 counts, and I think even some good 9s. And I'm probably bidding something else first with stronger hands. I think the range should be more like 10-16 total points?

- 4nt is really aggro over 4h, prob because it thinks min for 4h is too high

- which probably makes it assume I have 3 key cards rather than zero, since this is just about the only 13 count that I have with zero keycards? But maybe not -- I think that I've seen other auctions posted where it incorrectly assumes the higher number of keycards. Unless it is really impossible to deal partner zero keycards (e.g. partner opened 2nt, jump rebid 2nt, etc.), it should assume the lower number, and partner with the higher number can move later.

This hand was annoying because of a bunch of other times when GIB could have taken control with RKC (after 1nt-2c-2M-3OM-4M-?) auctions, bid the WTF should I do 5M instead, and then I bid the slam off two aces. Then it picks *this* hand to RKC?

The problem is that it regards a raise to 4H as a hand with strong slam potential whereas it should be exactly the opposite- its generally impossible for you to hold two aces (with the raise to 4 hearts) plus extra strength- you'd cue spades or preferably be allowed to make a minor suit cue.
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Posted 2012-May-23, 06:35

Still haven't found the "Add Reply" button at the bottom of the thread, instead of replying directly and therefore reporting the entire original post?
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